Phil Brooks forwarded me a photo sent by Mike Myers, who'd written him: "..know anyone who is sharp with WW2 stuff? This photo is a picture of my grandfather in Italy next to his C-47; he just crashed landed there after loosing an engine over the mountains.
I notice there are no large numbers or lettering near the cockpit. This is what I read in Air-Britain's 'DC-1, DC-2, DC-3 - The First Seventy Years' (Volume 1):
The (Troop Carrier Squadron or Troop Carrier Group?) badge instead of the BU seems to be used here.
That large navigator radome could tell us something of the C-47 variant: C-47, -A, -B?
Suggestions welcomed EMAIL
James Binder suggested this ATC badge...
Bob Parmerter could not identify it, but responded on that Facebook request a reply with some helpful data:
Braniff never had Beech 18s in theit fleetlist, none of the companies that flew the Braniff name. Perhaps a former Braniff employee put it on his Twin Beech as a tribute?
This photo was provide by Rob 'Cmraseye' Olewinski, it shows the other side of this Twin
Rolf Larsson sent me a 'mystery candidate' (MAR.2017), in the category what happened to it..?
This thread started by Rolf Larsson prompted Ron Mak (his Vintage Propliners here on ONE - TWO - THREE) to contribute several fine photos in support of msn 99's history and fate.
Sightings at Fort Lauderdale by Ron Mak of CV340 N14CD:
These dates 1980 and 1981 may well have been the last sightings; scrapped at some point after that, alas..
In a recent posting (march 2017) on Facebook I came across a location I did not know offered vintage planes: Lobo Wing of Commemmorative Air Force (CAF) at Moriarty, New Mexico
Screen dump of their website www.lobowing.org/projects/moriarty-hangar/
Facebook page for Beech 18/ C45/ AT11/ SNB Group had a posting (16/3/17) by David White: "Ran across this in Moriarty,NM a couple of days ago. It is behind the CAF Restoration hanger.
No one around so I was unable to learn anything about it."
A photo was included:
Scott Witschger (AT-11 Project Manager, CAF Lobo Wing) wrote me in resposne to a query on 21Mar17:
"The hulk pictured was donated to us by Loren Buss in the condition you see. He used it and one other to restore N15KK back to AT11 configuration.
I have searched the hulk for any identification, but without the spar data plate I have no idea what it was.
He donated a second hulk which is mostly just a spar and center section. We have it inside because it is one of our guides for reassembling the center section. It does have a data plate on the spar but the original serial number has been restamped and now reads 65.41.16. Type is AT-11-BH and the contract number is 19608.
I don't know if these provide any help in identifying the plane.
These two hulks have already contributed to restoring one AT-11 and are now giving their last to getting another one flying. We should all have such a good ending!"
David Lehman reached out to the 'Beech 18' forum (Yahoo) for help and Bob Parmerter offered some; perhaps more information will be forthcoming this publication (EMAIL)
Bob wrote in reply to David's email (below): "I don’t have a definitive answer as to the fate of N8042H but
some history is added (further below) and a nice color scan of it from a Larry Smalley slide.
Larry and Billl Larkins often traded images (Bill shot B&W) and Larry color slides."
Bob Parmerter offered the following:
From Bob's files-
David Bernshouse published this photo on Facebook group 'Beech18/C45' and it seems that this Beech 18 was a bit of a mystery!
David published this image in Oct.2015 with the following comment: 'June 2013, Lake City, SC. sad sight.'
John Meneely posted on Facebook's Beech 18/C45 Group (14Mar2016): The number '392' is clearly visible at the top of the fin (on the photograph of mine)". On below photograph I had noticed a number, but could not read it. A new lead!
Here's a photo dating back to Dec.2012; it seems to have lost parts rapidly. The text does not help in establishing its identity, the author/photographer also noted that N5606NA was a fake identity, but suggested it could be UC-45J N5606 (BuNo.89481). I could find no images online of Beech 18 N5606. Anyone? Marion is not that far from Lake City; so any seizure because of illegal activity must be of relative recent date. Why can't I find anything about it online?
Bob Parmerter wrote: "it was speculated that it might be UC-45J N5606 (BuNo 89481), but as we can see, this is definitely an E18S model (distinctive eyebrow window & high cabin).
Update (Nov.2017) found on Facebook ('General Aviation Junkyard') by Ryan Montague: "This used to be at the North American Institute of Aviation, in Conway SC.
Here are two Beech 18 / C-45 Gerben Groothuis found on a 2015 tour along aviation museums and other preserved vintage aircraft on the US Eastcoast;
About N6712(.) seems little doubt; that last one looks like a '3' and this seems confirmed by the figures on the nose..?
I stumbled on a UC-45J N6712M (US Navy BuNo.67123) on www.aerialvisuals.ca which offers on information:
BEECH UC-45J 67123 Constructed as an UC-45J. 05Dec1968 - To Mississippi State University, State College, MS
as N6712M (UC-45J, 67123). And on 25 May 1976 - Civil registration N6712M cancelled.
On Joe Baugher's website I found: "Beech SNB-2 Navigator 67123 (MSN 4301) ex AT-7 42-43498,
transferred to US Navy. Remanufactured by Beech as SNB-5 ca.1954. Redesignated UC-45J. To N6712M."
>>In spite of its registry as N6712M it seems 'N67123' was actually painted on it!
Mike Bursell sent me this image (taken 28Sept2014) as an update to my Coolidge,Az 2008 report. This cockpit of an unidentified Lockheed
C-130 Hercules is a recent (2010?) addition at Coolidge.
A question by Graham Robson on Facebook's AMARC INFO led to solving this little mystery, now id'd with
In Oct.2017 I revisited Coolidge and you'll find this cockpit featured in MY REPORT
Ron Mak sent me these 2 images taken at Managua IAP, Nicaragua in 1980; he wrote: "I've sent you 2 images of
The online database ATDB.aero has a listing of both YN-BWZ & AN-MEG, but with few details.
And AN-MEG does have a listing at ATDB.aero, but c/n ? and operator 'private users in Nicaragua'; which raises suspicious thoughts about its use in my cynical mind! No 'fate' except 'disposed'; could have been ditched during an illegal transport, rotting at the bottom of the sea or at some hidden airstrip in the jungle...
Based on the above reaction I checked www.atdb.aero and found for Lanica Cargo:
Alexandre Avrane (www.aerotransport.org) offered the following:
[Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Exaco_Cargo_Douglas_DC-6B_Volpati-1.jpg or
Some fleet information I found among my books:
Ron Mak sent me two images of DC-6 AN-BHB (c/n 45216), to be discounted too as candidates for above 'mysteries':
So we should now consider this shortlist:
In short we have exhausted our candidates which are commonly known as Lanica's aircraft!
Phil Brooks went to South Bend and reported this nice setting!
Phil wrote (27Mar15):
South Bend International Airport (IATA: SBN, ICAO: KSBN) is 3 miles northwest of South Bend, in St. Joseph County, Indiana.
Anyone with a suggestion to its former identity? EMAIL It seems the DC-3 / C-47 cockpit was 'found' in a desert north of Los Angeles, where it spent many years of outdoor storage.
The C-123 fuselage in the yard at Tucson is 54-0661, one of two airframes brought of storage in 1994 for potential work in Africa, the other was 54-0706.
Here are some phots Graham sent me (Jan.2017):
Allied Salvaging yard, Oct.1996
C-123 40661 again, in Oct.1997
"C-123 40706 was subsequently destroyed in the making of Con-Air, when it was blown up imitating
a crash landing into a hotel lobby."
C-123 40706 / 'N709RR' as a movie prop in Conair.
Joe Baugher:"54-706 (MSN 20155) converted to C-123K. To MASDC as CP072 4/19/1982.
To civilian registry as N94DT. Reg'd November 1995 to Military Aircraft Restoration of Anaheim, CA as N94DT.
Parts of this aircraft were used in the crash scenes in the movie 'Conair'."
Graham Robson wrote me about the C-123's all marked 'N709RR' a few years ago HERE...
See also "C-123 N709RR of All West Freight crashed into Mount Healy (Alaska) on 01Aug10.
All three occupants perished, including the All West Freight owner .. on USA 2014 - Alaska"
Douglas C-47 at Kendall-Tamiami,FL (23OCT03). Its identity?
Nicolai Musante emailed me the answer in Jan.2017:
"This is most certainly C-117D N9663N" See:
And now I would like to know what happened to this nose section..? Surely it wasn't scrapped!!! EMAIL
More on this C-117D c/n 43385 on Photos by Friends & Guests (42) and Questions & Answers, look for 'Gary Larkins'...
And here are a few images by Graham Robson (sent Jan.2017):
Graham wrote: "Nicolai got to answer this one before I could, correctly identifying the C-117D note at Tamiami.
I photographed it in the state you show on your site, and again in April 2006, when it had been repainted in period
Pan Am style m/s. It was owned by a local ex Pan Am pilot, a friend of my good buddy Charlie Clements. Not sure where it has gone now, but I would not be surprised if it resides in the Wings over Miami air museum, outside of
which it had been parked on the trailer for a few years."
An unmarked C-47 at Opa Locka,FL on 30DEC97
Gerben thinks this one could be N123D, a C-47A which started its career as 43-15304.
And another unidentified C-47 at Opa Locka,FL on 30DEC97
Gerben noticed that the colourscheme seems similar to the DC-6 5Y-BMM, which was parked at
Opa Locka for a long time with 'Sincereways'-titles.
Jim Tomlinson wrote me in Oct.2014: "I visited Opa Locka on 06Feb98, a few days after the airfield was struck
Mark Fidler wrote me in May 2015:"This is the Sincereways color DC-3 from Opa Locka airport shortly
Jim Tomlinson sent me an update in Jan.2017: "Checking out DC-3 pics taken earlier in 1996 at Opa Locka, I found one of N4797H c/n 25623 on the following page: www.airliners.net/search?keywords=dc-3+opa+locka+1996 or www.airliners.net/photo/1831121/L, a photo by Gerard Helmer.
To this latest update I can add from my own records: 'N4797H is tied to c/n 25623/14178.
This is, btw, also the theory on ATDB.aero online database: 'Ex/ Legion Express; scrapped at Opa Locka (believed moved to Highway I-4 Exit 44 promoting Fantasy of Flight Museum, Polk City, nose in ground, probably mixed with N600RC).'
I would say this one could be classified as 'beyond repair'; but parts may live on in another DC-3.
Beech C-45H N8283H? At Detroit-Willow Run,MI on 24JUL11
The cockpit remains of Beech C-45 of the GE319 at Cambrai (12JUN83)
Bob Parmerter (author of the authoritive publication 'Beech 18: A Civil & Military History') wrote:
"I can’t ID the Jun83 French Air Force C-45 with certainty. The only French AF number link to that would be
C-45F '319' (44-47319 Beech c/n 7699), which operated late 1944 to 20Dec66, when writte off in an accident."
Then 'eLaReF' explained on the Beech18 Yahoo forum:
"GE319 is a French training unit, '319 Groupement Ecole-CEAA'. It specialised in twin-engine conversion.
However... a minor complication is the unit (?) badge which isn't the one that I think of as being GE319's!"
These photos by Gerben Groothuis were part of a selection which are shared on:
Photos by Friends & Guests (40)
Christopher Hoage shared this image in Dec.2014 of a Curtiss C-46 Commando, apparently in use as a house (at one
Screendumps from Google Earth to illustrate the location:
In April 2018 I went there myself, see my CALIFORNIA 2018 PAGE 2
Jim Qualey added: I stumbled across it on 25May87, after a visit to the March AFB museum. Here's one of the shots I took that day. Neighborhood looks different, but I assume it's the same one. How many could there be?
This was shared on Facebook, came across it 01Dec2017:
STATUS: SOLVED (BUT FURTHER INFORMATION WELCOMED)
Fred Wallis returned from travelling in Alaska, july 2014. He sent me this unidentified wreck.
Paul van der Horst posted this request on Yahoo's DC-3 group and the request for identification is repeated here:
Martin Best wrote: "Just for the record, XB-HEW is not listed in the TAHS Mexican civil aircraft register of 1993."
Matt Miller solved it soon after posting:
Ferdinand sent me this in response:
Martin Pole sent me the following in Oct.2014:"Tom Singfield and I have discussed this at length and we are both happy with its conclusion:
The image provided gives many clues to this C-47’s identity: The ‘O’ on the nose is actually a ‘Q’, Therefore the identity is ‘AAQ’ c/n 9874 (ex 5N-AAQ).
STATUS: THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THE LIKELY CANDIDATE!
Jürgen Scherbarth wrote me in Dec.2011, for this mystery:
What is the significance or meaning of the titles 'Aero Descanso'?
'HJL-27' is probably a poor attempt for a fake registration, but perhaps also a link to the original one?
Information in my database shows:
"In my opinion it must be another DC-4 than HK-1025, because the mystery DC-4 has a bulbous nosecone for radar fitted (similar to several Satena DC-4s) and HK-1025 did not!
See HK-1025 photo here: http://www.aviacol.net/images/stories/HK1025.jpg or with former registration HK-521: http://www.aviacol.net/images/stories/SAM/06_HK-521.jpg
The question is now, how many DC-4s have been converted with a radar nose in Colombia...?
Satena FAC 1105 (http://www.airlinehobby.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=693228607) might be one of the candidates."
Paul van de Horst wrote:
Lewis Grant sent me, what looked like, a straight forward DC-6 slide, taken at Lakeland,FL on 10Nov1987.
Ron Mak responded to this challenge and he sent an image, taken by him at Caracas 03Nov1983, from his extensive propliner photo library:
Ron included the following historical data:
Fernand van de Plas offered his help:
'YV-290C never went back to the US, it ended its days in Santo Domingo with TRADO' -Andy Martin
Considering the similarity of tailnumber N400UA I am inclined to think 44258 is 'N480MA'.
Lewis reaches the same conclusion:
SO WHY WAS IT PAINTED TEMPORARILY AS N480MA IS AS YET UNKNOWN !!! TYPO????
|Taigh Ramey wrote:
"For what it is worth it is a C model Beech, I suspect that it is an ex military C-45F or possibly earlier.
No visible Navigators turret/astrodome mounting, so I don’t think it was an AT-7/SNB-2.
It looks like there was a hydraulic reservoir on the right firewall, indicating it had an A-3 autopilot.
The black paint on the bottom of the wings looks just like the ones applied at the factory as well as the silver paint.
Between the paint and the original antenna and other small indications it looks to me like this was a fairly stock and unmodified bird.
There was a gentleman in Fairbanks, named George Clayton, who bought several surplus WWII Twin Beech’s, including two or three AT-11’s and several C-45’s. I wonder if this might have been one of his at one time? "
Sean Rice responded:
This photo was taken on September 13, 2009
Mike Clayton sent me this photo by Russell Legg, an unidentified DC-3 at Sirkuit Hotel, Surabaya:
Russell wrote to Mike on 12Apr11:
"I continue on my gruelling trek of tracking down airframes in Indonesia...
Found this one at the Kenn Park (north east Surabaya) yesterday, after a two day search!
The astrodome (still intact) points to it being an ex/ military example. The airframe is complete, as you'll see, just minus props and engines and as far as I could ascertain from the 'inevitable' locals......it was moved, as a 'package', and hoisted to the roof of this now run-down hotel many years ago.
Kenn Park is a huge (run down) race-tracky, football ovally, Chinese Temple kind of a complex...perhaps a major 'events' facility but back in it's heyday! It's...now well into equatorial decay.
The fuselage writing is 'CALYPSO', both sides...
You will laugh when you picture my driver getting bogged while positioning me for this picture. We did manage, between us, to extract his vehicle!
I was not able to access the roof area, of the Surkuit Hotel. And believe that it was probably not safe to do so...so - no 'mark-one eyeball' searching for c/n plates & etc etc.
Distribute freely as you wish...no security issues here
Bottom line is : nice to find one more C47 airframe survivor.
But.... Which airframe is it????"
While googling for information I came across this on a forum, not sure if the actual identity is given here:
Sedih melihat kondisi DC-3 ini sekarang[:@]..Dulu Pesawat ini dipajang sebagai identitas Calypso Discotique yang populer di Pantai Ria Kenjeran (KenPark) pada awal th-2000 (nama Calypso tertulis besar dikiri dan kanan badan pesawat). Waktu itu pesawat di gambar jilatan api dan dihisasi lampu warna-warni. Seiring waktu, Diskotiknya bubar jadi Sirkuit Hotel (yang kini juga sepi pengunjung)
Diduga kuat saya..DC-3 inilah Ex The Rainmaker Dakota
[Again translated by help from Fred de Ruiter: "Sad to see this DC-3 in this condition; it used to be placed as a landmark with the popular discotheque Calypso on the beach at Ria Kenjeran, early 2000.
(the name Calypso was placed left and right on the plane with large letters). At that time the aircraft was painted with a flame and decorated with coloured lights.
When the disco closed down the number of hotelguests at the circuit dried up.
I think this DC-3 is the former Rainmaker Dakota."]
Rolf Larsson asked for help in identifying this DC-3; he wrote:
"On 20 October 1975 I took this picture of an R4D-5 at Davis Monthan AFB , an US Army Missile Command aircraft in storage.
Alan Hayden sent me this on 07Feb13, he wrote:
I have had suggestions that it could be ET-AGY, which is shown on my website in (1988) 'splendour': Ron Mak's Propliners.
Nils Rosengaard quoted following text from Aeroplane Monthly, September 2000, page 10.
Webmaster: from this we may assume ET-AGY still to be in some form of complete shape and livery in the year 2000. Which is less than 13 years ago...
But it was Ron who actually came up with an image of the cockpit!
Alan sent me a Google Earth screendump of where he found the remains of the DC-6, plus he found a P&W engine cowl...
Colleen Rankin sent me this in Feb.2013, she wrote:
The Aviation Safety Network database provided details on the plane referred to:
Updates & comments welcomed.