Gerben Groothuis shared a number of images taken during 2017 in the US, struggling with their identities...
Gerben wrote: 'I came across a few airframes in the yard of Aero Traders and am looking for (confirmation of)
their identities. Could this be TC-45J N45681/42-5682 ??? EMAIL
Photos taken in May 2017.
Unidentified Beechcraft 18/C-45’s in the American Airpower Museum (Farmingdale,NY)
On the left, also at Farmingdale's AAM, an unidentified C-47 - named 'Sack Time'.
On the right: a similar nose not far away, on Long Island, in the Cradle of Aviation Museum (Garden City,NY - 04Oct2014)
On all of the above help on whatever details would be much appreciated! EMAIL
Terry Fletcher provided the information: " 'Teacher's Pet' is a travelling exhibit!
Grant Newman visited the 'Civil Aviation Museum of China', in Beijing, on 20Sep2017.
I never visited this museum, only the named Datangshan Air Museum (a.k.a. Beijing's Xiatangshan Air Museum) in 2002.
More of Grant's photos taken at this air museum:
Charlie's Hangar Surf Hostel DC-3(s)... These images were sent to me by Juergen Scherbarth last month.
Ron Mak also noted these and added these images:
Ron Mak wrote (webmaster's translation): 'This is on the Philippines, San Fernando is the nearest big town and there is a small airport nearby: La Union on the Luzon Sea; beautiful location, splendid beaches and magnificent scenery.
Suggestions to their identities please EMAIL me, add the url and be specific on the subject - thank you.
Gerben Groothuis sent me these 2 images (dating from Feb.2017) for identification
One for my Off-Airport Gallery (Latin America) but at time of posting also a candidate for 'Unidentified'..
The reference book 'Survivors 2017' had no DC-3 listed for Puerto Rico with reference to a hostel.
The adress is Surfer's Road, Brgy. Urbiztondo - 2514 San Juan (La Union).
In Scramble's edition #461 (Oct.2017) I read the following: "On 01Aug2017 'Charlies Hangar Hostel'opened in San Juan, in Northern Philippines.
In the dec.2016 issue of Scramble magazine I noticed an interesting news bit, and found the mystery here very appealing!
Screendump from wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/File:Xiaotangshan_sep16_C-47.jpg
Mid-2016 this as yet unidentified ex/ Zimbabwe AF C-47 arrived at the Xiaotangshan Air Museum
Alexandre Avrane offered:"This appears to be in the original Zimbabwe camouflage.
Each C-47 was painted differently so all is needed is a pictures gallery for comparison..."
Found on www.dc-3.co.za/dc-3-in-africa/zimbabwe.html remarked "Seven ex Air Force of Zimbabwe C-47 Dakotas were put up for auction in September 2011."
On 20Oct2017 I received a jubilant email sent by John Austin-Williams.
And here is a Sep.2017 photo by Grant Newman
Although it was a long time ago, I visited the socalled Datangshan Air Museum, north of Bejing.
Ron mak sent this photo in Oct.2017 and it depicts a visit by Ron to Las Palmas, Gran Canarias, Spain in 1970
A Douglas DC-3 derelict at Las Palmas in 1970
Ron wrote: "An unidentified DC-3 at Las Palmas-Gando Airport. I searched for its identity (e.g. Aviation Safety Network and ATDB), but without result. Spantax flew a considerable amount of DC-3's, and a surprising number
found their demise at Tenerife - but I could not find one of theirs ending at Las Palmas..?"
Perhaps it was used as a firetrainer...?
|Gordon Tatro sent me this 03Feb2017; he wrote:"Any ideas about this incident?
Notice the prop is not bent nor feathered: caused by a ground accident?
Notice the gash in fuselage at wing root?
Picture taken about 1950-60s.
Notice it is at Logan Airport in Massachusetts: a USAF plane at a civilian airport?
I know the owner of this photo, Peter Waltz, the person standing there is his father, Alden E. Waltz."
The four-bladed prop and double-main wheels make this a C-119, as C-82 had 3-blade props and a single mainwheel.
Purpose of a C-119 visiting Logan Field could be the Air National Guard unit stationed here, e.g. the 101st Tactical Fighter Squadron (TFS; MA ANG).
Gordon responded to my initial idea of an inflight accident and immediate diversion to Logan:
I (Webmaster, RL) checked my bookcase and found in 'United States Military Aviation: The Air Force' (Robert J. Archer, Midland Counties Publications, 1980) in the chapter on Military Airlift Command a page with the badges of 12 MAC Wings and found among them the one for 317th TAW a close match...
In Alwyn T. Lloyd's book 'Fairchild C-82 Packet and C-119 Flying Boxcar' (AeroFax, Ian Allen Publishing, 2005) I found reference to 317th TCG based in Europe at Rhein-Main AB, West Germany (1952-1953), Neubiberg AB, West Germany (1953-1957) and Evreux-Fauville AB, France (1957-1958).
Peter volunteered on the period the photo may have been taken: "As far as the incident date is concerned I no believe my guess of 1949 to 1950 was incorrect as the 317th History shows C-119's were used starting in 1952. See www.dyess.af.mil/Portals/145/Docs/AFD-150210-038.pdf "
Someone suggested "Hanscom AFB is about 20 miles NW of Logan Field. Is it possible that the guy wearing the Logan Airport coat just happens to be standing at Hanscom AFB when that photo was taken?"
Peter Waltz forwarded the email he received in Oct.2017 upon his query
Ulco Kalt went to Texas in 1983 and sent me these images to share and with hopes of identification
About the Douglas DC-4:
Ron Mak sent a very food suggestion for the DC-4 soon after me posting this:
Christian Flaug sent me this in July 2017:
'eLaReF' suggested comparison with his Datangshan (2001) folder on Flickr.com
Suggestions welcomed EMAIL [please refer to 'page Search 141' - thank you]
While on the subject of the AN-2, it celebrated its 75th anniversary in 2017!
Updates & comments welcomed.