After having started this website by the end of 2000, I found it useful to keep track of the changes; the initial start contained 4 pages on the Douglas DC-3, one each on the DC-4 and DC-6 and one on the Curtiss C-46 Commando. Plus two text pages with general background information on the C-46 and the DC-6. Soon followed by The Lockheed Constellation with one page and a visit (my first dedicated propliner visit abroad) to Sharjah ( 2 pages, on the Antonov An-8/An-12 and Ilyushin Il-18).
Later the TRAVEL Pages were added and indeed, a Blog.
And the rest, as they say, is history!

Since the amount of work on the website is increasingly becoming an issue for me, please consider the following pointers, when sending an email and/or photos: ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS... INCLUDE THE URL (LINK) TO THE WEBPAGE WHEN REFERRING TO SOMETHING ON MY WEBSITE ! State the subject of your email, why is it of interest Where and when was the image taken; make it clear if you do not want to see it used on my website Who is the copyrightholder of the image; did you take the photo? Do not send more than six photos (the size is of no concern) Always sign with your name, I do not reply to emails otherwise

These are the updates:

10Apr21
A post by Logan Kluting, of C-53 N763A, concludes my Photos by Friends & Guests #62

06Apr21
C-47 N231GB has a new livery: Joe Garcia photo on Photos by Friends & Guests #62, its history on my USA 1992

01Apr21
Update my Q&A-page with two interesting queries

27Mar21
Updated 2018 photo of unmarked F-100 Super Sabre with its identity, thanks to Nate Wilburn. California 2018.

26Mar21
Added photos of Beech UC-45J 'Gypsy Girl', courtesy Joy Pearce, on the Off-Airport N.America page
Added info on Fairchild Aerial Surveys, pertaining below B-17 N66573, on DC-3 N5000E & Aero Service Corp.

24Mar21
Further update my photos by Bill Swirsky, on his father and crew, now with B-17 N66573, HERE...

22Mar21
Bill Swirsky shared a photo of Aero Service flight crew, with DC-3 N9032H, HERE...

16Mar21
More certainty added for XA-HOI being DC-3A c/n 4807; my Searchfor.. gallery

15Mar21
Updated the mystery of XA-HOI, w/ a critical note on the match to DC-3A c/n 4807. See my Searchfor.. gallery

14Mar21
Added Beech G18S VH-NWB, the wrecked remains, pic'd by Kenneth Swartz, on his gallery

13Mar21
Mystery of Peter van Oostrum's XA-HOI has been solved: DC-3A c/n 4807! See my Searchfor.. gallery

12Mar21
C-47 TC-34 was seen in Argentina on road transport to new location; see Photos by Friends & Guests #62

11Mar21
Added a photo of the DC-3 at Charlie's Hostel in the Philippines on my OFF-Airport Asia page

10Mar21
Peter van Oostrum shared DC-3 XA-HOI for identification, the c/n is a mystery! See my Searchfor.. gallery

08Mar21
Rolf Keller found the location of the Lisunov Li-2 in a perfect circle, in the snow of Minsk; Photos by Friends & Guests #62

03Mar21
Peter van Oostrum indentified Ron Mak's Blue Tailed Convair on Mystery Planes

25Feb21
Courtesy Joy Pierce I added 2 pics of Beech UC-45J '94710' at The Pumpkin Patch in Iowa. OFF-AIRPORT NAM

24Feb21
Added whereabouts of Beech 18 (SNB-5) N2201S on my Off-airport NAM page
John Wiseman shared a 2009 photo of the remains of C-119F Flying Boxcar BuNo.131706; see C-119 Dossier #2.

23Feb21
Did some more research on the DC-3 'B&B' in Villafranca del Castillo / Villanueva del Pardillo (Spain); no luck. RonMak gallery

22Feb21
John Pierce wrote me a detailed history of his UC-45J 94710 on his pumpkin patch! Off-Airport N.America

15Feb21
Fons Schaefers added interesting info to my Q&A item on C-46s & C-82s used for crash dummy tests in US during late 40's-early 50's.

07Feb21
Identity details of Beech C-45 below, on my my Off-Airport NAM gallery

06Feb21
Added an unidentified Beech 18 ('Gypsy Girl') in rural Iowa to my Off-Airport NAM gallery.

03Feb21
Phil Brooks shared a 1990 photo by Dave Edwards: a C-117D skimming the shoreline; Photos by Friends & Guests #62
Phil also shared a 1978 photo of DC-3A N300MR, last owned by one Walter Evans, fate unknown; Photos ... #62

02Feb21
Petr Nesmerak shared a photo of IL-18 SP-LSH on its new location in the Czech Rep. See Off-Airport EUR.

01Feb21
Updated the item on Republic RC-3 Seabee 'C-FISH', believed to be C-FECW (CF-ECW)

31Jan21
Documented another Off-Airport DC-6, C-118A N44916, at Valledupar, Colombia; see Off-Airport Latin-America

30Jan21
Republic RC-3 Seabee C-FISH continues to fly, albeit piloted by dummies.. Full story on my Off-Airport Planes @N.America
Added 12 photos to Ron Mak's propliners gallery on my website, all taken 31Oct71 @Mexico City.

24Jan21
Updated the fate of C-54 N67040, now owned by Scroggins Aviation, on my USA 2008 @Avra Valley
Updated my Abbotsford 2006 report with the intended move of S-2 Tracker C-FKVG to the B.C. Aviation Museum

13Jan21
Took on a challenge to identify a C-54 O-22488, @Stavanger in 1959; read my theory on Searchfor..
C-47A ETM-6011 (c/n 9252) was moved from its display spot at Santa Lucia AB; Photos by Friends & Guests #62

09Jan21
In the light of unidentified Convairs, or those with their fate unknown, Rolf Larsson shared a 1983 pic of CV440 XA-LAF

08Jan21
Martin Perkins has the C-119 marked '06' at Greybull's aviation museum (2011) as N961S, by a label on the exterior

07Jan21
Updated my history of C-47A c/n 20475, 2018 photo of 5H-LVR Indigo Air std @Dar es Salaam, with pic shared on FB recently.

04Jan21
Martin Perkins wrote me w/ pictures of A-26 N4818E dated 2009, 'FIRE EATER'featured on my TEXAS 2015 report with some of its history missing

03Jan21
IL-18 SP-LSH allegedly has moved to another location in Poland, at a restaurant; see my Off-Airport EUR

01Jan21
Happy New Year everybody!
Updated my item on my Photos by Friends & Guests #54 with recent details of DC-6 N666SQ 'Macavia' in Alaska.

30Dec20
STREETPHOTOGRAPHY: added pix for Colour page and B&W page, Christmas Holidays 2020 in C-19 lockdown

25Dec20
Updates on the fate of C-7's N91NC & N98NC, on my USA 2017 - Salvage Yards

21Dec20
Super Guppy #1, F-BTGV, is being scrapped on site @Bruntingthorpe; I recorded on my UK 2003 tour.

18Dec20
An update on C-47 ZX-BXJ by John George Tongking (FB) on my Off-Airport Africa; a restoration that did not make it

16Dec20
Charles E. McCormick forwarded me a photo of C-123K 55-4548 at Pleiku on 18Nov70. See Photos by Friends & Guests #62

15Dec20
I came to a tentative conclusion that Ron's Convair @SJO is TI-1086C (CV440 c/n 359), and it's TI-ARN (T-29C c/n 359) in the stripclub

13Dec20
Transferred the search for Ron's unidentified Convair (drugs runner?) to the Searchfor gallery: HERE..

10Dec20
Added more photos of TI-ARN to Ron Mak's PAGE #4, provided by Daniel Umaña, supplied by friends

09Dec20
More updates for Ron Mak's unidentified Convair at SJO; see Ron Mak's PAGE #4

08Dec20
The search for Ron Mak's unidentified Convair continues; he provided a photo that seems to exclude TI-ARN! Ron Mak's PAGE #4

05Dec20
Updated the search for Ron's unidentified Convair 240 at San Jose (SJO) in 1980, Ron Mak's PAGE #4

02Dec20
Compiled another webpage for aviation magazines I have fond memories of: (OTHER) AVIATION MAGAZINES REMEMBERED

30Nov20
On Ron Mak's PAGE #4 added a photo of his of Convair 240 'VY-LLA' (1981); details & identity explained

28Nov20
An item on DC-4 VH-EAY (ex/ VH-PAF) of HARS opens my new Photos by Friends & Guests #62

27Nov20
Added a photo of a B-23 Dragon and photos of a 1980 Convair in Costa Rica to Ron Mak's gallery, page 4
Compiled a webpage on some other aviation magazines I read in the 1970s-1990s era, other than those already on such a page
Received comments on the length of my page Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North; cut in 3: NUNAVUT | CANADA OTHER | ALASKA

25Nov20
FINAL update on C-82 45-57798 wreck details at Resolute Bay: Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the (Arctic) North

24Nov20
Updated the C-82 45-57798 wreck details at Resolute Bay with a definite result, Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the (Arctic) North

23Nov20
Fine to see DHC-2 N77KZ has been repaired and operational! See Photos by Friends & Guests #61

22Nov20
Updated my Max Ward and Wardair, a Chronology.

16Nov20
Ron Charity shared an update on his documenting (crashed) DC-3 CF-ILQ of Austin Airways; Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

14Nov20
Ernie Szelepcsenyi sent some aerials to update the ex/First Air HS748's at Ed's Salvage Yard (near Arnprior,Ontario); My visit 2009

10Nov20
JoeJoe Prince (his gallery) pic'd Renfro's Norseman N78691 while waiting for suitable weather to depart on Nov. 7th from Bethel

08Nov20
Restoration of C-47 'Daly Express' (N375AS) at Millville Army Airfield Museum has been completed Photos by Friends & Guests #61
Updated the item on EC-47Q 42-24304. See Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

06Nov20
Kyle McNish sent me photos of the C-47 crash landed at Klawock, Prince of Wales Island; thought to be 42-24304
See Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

03Nov20
Concluded the identity of C-82 crashed near Resolute Bay; see Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

02Nov20
A large number of "junk aircrafts" in Kenya may soon be scrapped! Check my Photos by Friends & Guests #61
More pics and info added on wreck sites near Resolute Bay; see Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

01Nov20
More pics and info added on wreck sites near Resolute Bay; see Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

30Oct20
More pics added, by Tony Jarvis, taken in 2016 of Lancaster FM221 wreck site near Resolute Bay; Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

29Oct20
Pics by Brad M and info by Jerry Vernon brought updates to the planes wrecks near Resolute Bay; Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

25Oct20
Avra Valley a.k.a. Marana Reg'l airport will soon be clear of stored propliners, see Photos by Friends & Guests #61

25Oct20
Updated my item on Trackers N406DF and N420DF on Photos by Friends & Guests #10 (2008), both are offered on an auction

12Oct20
JoeJoe Prince took a lovely shot in the evening of 20Oct20, Everts' DC-6 N9056R seen landing at Bethel,AK

20Oct20
Updated my Photos by Friends & Guests #61 with details of C-54 N96358 pos'bly written off

12Oct20
Added 2 items of slides & negatives Scandinavian mail order services to a dedicated Remember page

11Oct20
Updated Ron Mak's propliners gallery (PAGE #4) with photos taken in 1971 at Panama's Tocumen IAP

10Oct20
Updated the propliner gallery by Ken Swartz on my website with Short Skyvan C-GJGS, stored at Chilliwack,BC. Present fate?
Updated my AVIATION REFERENCE BOOKS gallery, with an early publication, USAF Serial 1946-1967, donated to me by Frank van de Peppel

07Oct20
BAe 748 NA-20 has been moved to Narayanhiti Palace Museum, Nepal for preservation; Photos by Friends & Guests #61

04Oct20
Beech G18S N9210, stored at Bethel,AK, on JoeJoe's gallery on my website
Updated Frans Truyens' gallery on my website with a recent photograph of DH-104 Dove 7A, c/n 04534 at Malaga

03Oct20
TRAVEL: completed my report of recent visit to Venice: PAGE ONE & PAGE TWO

01Oct20
Neville Webb shared a photo of Hudson 'T9422' at North American Aviation Museum (Gander,NFL) on his gallery here

29Sep20
Fred Barnes responded, with photos, to the DC-6 rear fuselage reported by me on my Photos by Friends & Guests #61

23Sep20
Updated Neville Webb's gallery with 4 more images of the B-24 crashsite near Gander, see Neville's gallery

23Sep20
Neville Webb shared images of a B-24 crashsite near Gander, see Neville's gallery on my website

19Sep20
Erik Sleutelberg helped to identify some of the aircraft parts found at Red Deer by me last year. Red Deer 2019

03Sep20
Nine propliners at Panama City photographed by Ron Mak 1971 added on Ron's gallery page 4

31Aug20
The BAHF has procured C-54 N9015Q to replace storm damaged N500EJ; see my Photos by Friends & Guests 61

29Aug20
Graham Robson identified a wrecked C-131A airframe on Searchfor, put to me by Gerben Groothuis in Feb.2017

28Aug20
Graham Robson sent me a photo to ascertain identity of Marksman Invader N60XX @KFLL; also shows unmarked DC-3. Searching For..

27Aug20
Ken Swartz sent an update on Beech 18 N299Z at Brantford, under new ownership

19Aug20
Re plane wrecks @ResBay found a/ 2 different aircraft and b/ one is Lancaster FM221 crashed 1950; Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

18Aug20
Spent hours on the plane remains sent by Brad, resulting in more questions than answers.. Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

17Aug20
BradM sent pics of a possible DC-4 wreck near Resolute Bay: see Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

11Aug20
Ken Swartz sent me a nice update of a G-44 Widgeon C-FBCP and Beech Trigear N299Z at Brantford,ONT recently; Ken's gallery on my website

06Aug20
JoeJoe Prince shared a photo of DHC-2 N55WE, repaired after its 2015 damage and finding a new home in Alaska

01Aug20
Updated my item about DC-3 N130Q on my Photos by Friends & Guests 25: it's been put back on floats!

20Jul20
Updated my Down Under visit OZ2005 P2 on relocations by DC-3's N2-90 and A65-85

18Jul20
Updated my France 2015 report on Noratlas N2501, was moved from Nantes to Évreux Fauville
Updated my Gila River Memorial (Chandler) 2017 report on aircraft remaining there
Brian R. Burrage identified for me the Fleet 60K Fort MK.II stored at the WCAM store at St Andrews; see Photos by Friends & Guests #48

15Jul20
The French Sécurité Civile has grounded their entire Turbo Firecat fleet and has accelerated the withdrawal of the type by a few years. Airtanker-Id

09Jul20
Bob Bevan sent me an anecdote about a short flight on C-119 N3267U: see my page dedicated to this Fairchild Flying Boxcar

01Jul20
Started 2020 3rd quarter MyBlog 2020Q3 with a few (non-aviation) items

29Jun20
Updated my STREETPHOTOGRAPHY page with 2 images taken last weekend in Deventer

22Jun20
Updated my Gila/Chandler item on my USA 2017 Page 2 with the sad fate of the DC-7 N4889C.

04Jun20
Kenneth Swartz sent 4 photos of SC.7 Skyvans seen at Perris,CA - some of them previously stored at Atlin, B.C.

03Jun20
Added a few more pics by Stephane Pouliot of N151/LN-SUB to ; Photos by Friends & Guests #61
Ken Swartz visited the March Field Air Museum recently and am pleased he shared a few images on my website

02Jun20
Everts Air DC-6 N151 completed its ferry flight to Stavanger,Norway to be preserved at Sola as LN-SUB; Photos by Friends & Guests #61

29May20
Kenneth Swartz opens the new Photos by Friends & Guests #61

25May20
Rolf Larsson sent me two Slovak Li-2 (1980s) photos with hope for identification: In Search for Identification and/or fate.

24May20
Ken Swartz shared a series of photos taken in Californa, earlier this year; see Propliners by others: Kenneth Swartz.

21May20
New item on my Q&A-page: looking for identity DC-3 hulk together with DC-3 N52935 at George T. Baker Aviation School in 1984
Added a series of vintage propliner photos on Ron Mak's gallery PAGE #4, taken at Panama's Tocumen airport in 1971.

18May20
Arnold Begeman visited Red Dee Airport and shared photos of two ex/ Atlantic Airlines L.188s; Photos by Friends & Guests #60
Steve Darke helped to get the name on Air Siam's C-54 HS-VGX: 'Nakorn Rachasima'. On my Photos by Friends & Guests #60
He also provided the names (and fates) of the other two Air Siam DC-4's on Ron Mak's #4 page

17May20
Ron Mak sent me two Air Siam C-54 photos, of VH-TAG and HS-VGZ. See Ron Mak's Propliners page #4.

14May20
Andre de Koter shared a 1936 photo of a KLM DC-2 at Schiphol; Schiphol-The Old Days (bottom page)
The Air and Space Museum in Mendoza (Arg.) is looking to expand the aircraft collection; see my Q&A-page

13May20
TRAVEL: added My South Africa 2020 Travelogue, which has links to page on Soweto and wildlife at Game Lodges

02May20
Phil Brooks shared a historic photo of DC-3 NC16009, w/ rh-side paxdoor; Photos by Friends & Guests #60

27Apr20
Ken Swartz sent me an airtanker organisation update of some provinces in Canada; added on to Airtankers Id

25Apr
Michael Mayher shared some 1960s C-119 photos from his family album; C-119 Dossier, page #4

15Apr
Patrick Vos shared a photo by his father Willem Vos of an Air Siam C-54 Cargo; Photos by Friends & Guests #60

08Apr20
PBY-5A N222FT is for sale, Photos by Friends & Guests #60

03Apr20
TRAVEL: impression of Visit to Soweto,SA last month

02Apr20
Ref below HP-641 Ron Mak shared a 1973 photo of this DC-6B at Panama, as FAP 401, on his gallery Page #4.

28Mar20
Updated a page compiled in 2005 (!), regarding a preserved DC-6 (HP-641) in Cali, Colombia; Searchfor
Added a 2018 photo by David Ruddlesden of Viscount HK-1708 on my Off-Airport Latin America

27Mar20
Four ex/ Broooks Fuel DC-4's presently on auction at Fairbanks; details on updated Bliss with Brooks (2003)
Updated an item of 2008 with March 2020 event featuring B337SGT-F Super Guppy Turbine, N941NA; Photos by Friends & Guests #13

25Mar20
David Mullikin shared a C-119 photo of 48-319 with me for my C-119 Dossier page #4.

24Mar20
Added Propliners around Johannesburg 2020

13Mar20
William Swirsky shared a photo of Aero Service's DC-3 N88740, on my Aero Service page
Greg Lee shared pics of DC-3's N24320 & N783A recenlty at Missoula's Museum of Mountain Flying (MMF): Photos by Friends & Guests #60

27Feb20
Updated 'Joejoe's' gallery with the fate of Norseman N225BL, now preserved as CF-GUE
Convair T-29 51-5123 lies derelict at the Bahamas, not on Bermuda as some sources may state. on Photos by Friends & Guests #60

24Feb20
A photo shared on Facebook of An-24 JU-1027 in Mongolia is a welcome addition to my Off-Airport Asia

23Feb20
Seair DHC-2 C-FPCG was damaged in attempt to steal it, damaging also 2 Harbour Air DHC-3T's; updated my YVR Seaplanes 2019
Sean Keating shared a photo of KC-97 52-0895 (ex/ N1365D Erickson) preserved at Medford,OR; Sean's gallery

22Feb20
Dirk Septer spans a career of DHC-2 c/n 1590 from 1997 to 2020 with 2 photos; his gallery on my website.

19Feb20
Fred Barnes too shared a photo of Albatross N121FB, dated 09Oct1984; on Photos by Friends & Guests #60
Updated some info on a Beech 18 airframe seen at El Mirage in 2018, could very well be N9159B (CA-242)

19Feb20
Kurt Ariano identified an abandoned Beech 18 wreck near a lake in Ontario: CF-ZQH. On my Abandoned Plane Wrecks of the North

18Feb20
Added a photo of Beech C-45 N9809Z at Liberty (Texas?) on Photos by Friends & Guests 60

17Feb20
Mystery surrounds the illegal flight and crash of C-47 N62WS; photo by Phil Brooks on Photos by Friends & Guests 60

11Feb20
Added a question on the DC-3-DST on my Q&A-page

10Feb20
Ken Swartz shared an image of G-111 Albatross N121FB, I dug up some history to go with it.

06Feb20
Dirk Septer shared 3 Catalina / Canso airframes he came across, in 2011,in New Zealand; his gallery on my website
Ron Mak shared a photo of DC-3 PP-VBF on his gallery; sadly this VARIG DC-3 is no more
Photo of DC-6 N151 in C-check signals the nearing end of its career in Alaska; Photos by Friends & Guests 60

02Feb20
Restyled my Photos by Friends & Guests Page ONE, getting rid of most of the thumbnails

01Feb20
Sadly C-47A preserved as Varig PP-VBF has been scrapped; Photos by Friends & Guests 60
Updated the item on Beech 18 CF-PJG with a new photo, Photos by Friends & Guests 60
Updated below item on N460WA with add'l details, on Sean's gallery

28Jan20
Sean Keating found Douglas C-54E N460WA at Castle Airport (Atwater,CA; 23Jan20) in some maintenance. On Sean's gallery

28Jan20
Joey Barnes has set his mind set on recovering another Beech 18 from Reindeer Lake, operated by Calm Air, as yet unidentified. HERE..
Extensive update of 1971 propliners at Panama City take by Ron Mak; his gallery, page 4

27Jan20
With great pleasure I can say that Joey Barnes, King of Obsolete, has the honour of getting my new Photos by Friends & Guests 60 started!
Updated the history on Douglas C-54 'N2894C' (fake, c/n 10352) at Geraardsbergen,BE on my Photos by Friends & Guests 15

26Jan20
Corrected the item on Neptune 209 (below) for missing photo and found a candidate! P-2H 135596/7Z-209. Check my California 2018 page

25Jan20
Martin Forster, chasing up on the unidentified Neptune (209) at El Mirage Aviation Warehouse, concludes my Photos by Friends & Guests 59

24Jan20
Added photo of Beech Seminole 58-3086 at Quartzsite,AZ on Sean Keating's gallery; perhaps more for the off-airport location than anything else

23Jan20
Sean Keating went to check a venue on my Off-Airport Gallery for its current status as a restaurant in Tulare,CA.
Coulson's C-130 Tanker 134 (N134CG) crashed 23Jan20 while fighting Australia's wildfires; updated Photos by Friends & Guests 58

21Jan20
Updated my USA Southwest 2017 (page 2) for the fate of the remains DC-7 'African Queen' (N90804)

19Jan20
Changed the status to SOLVED for CV580 YV-2448 on Plane Identity Mysteries; definitely ex/ HK-4334!

18Jan20
Updated the item on Photos by Friends & Guests 18 for DC-3 N51938, removed from Vichy-Rolla airport now for a new career

17Jan20
Two Chinese nationals have been found dead at the site of a 1973 plane crash in southern Iceland; C-117 c/n 43309 near Skógar.
A photo of CV580, probably YV-2448 or YV-2446, stored in Venezuela is another item for my Plane Identity Mysteries
Updated the info on Off-Airport Europe regarding 'Ristoaero', a CV440 near Rome's Fiumicino IAP
Updated item on DC-6 HK-3627X, see propliners by Miguel Angel Rodriguez Franco

14Jan20
Fred Streep shared images of DC-6 HK-3530X (c/n 43672) in Puerto Colombia with me; see my gallery Off-Airport Latin Americas.

10Jan20
Added photos by Ken Swartz on his gallery

09Jan20
Added a photo by Ken Swartz of L.188 N287F at Abbotsford, before scrapping; in support on the remains I sighted at Red Deer in Sep.2019

08Jan20
Updated Dirk Septer's gallery on my website with a 2015 pic of SC-7 Skyvan N80GB of GB AirLink at KFLL.

07Jan20
Jerry Vernon wrote me an update on DHC-2T C-FASA which I have on my Canada 2010 report, at Campbell River

06Jan20
JoeJoe Prince documented the 2 stored Beech C-45's at Big Lake,AK recently (again); JoeJoe's propliners

04Jan20
Added photos taken in 2007 to Kenneth Swartz's gallery on my website, including one for the Plane Mysteries (a G-73 Mallard)
More details and photos added on the DeHavilland hulks on a farm near Delta,BC; Search for plane identities

03Jan20
Several DHC-2 & DHC-3 hulks have surfaced near Delta,BC on a farm (?); added onto my Search for plane identities