|Hi, my name is Steve and I was an aircraft mechanic that worked on VC121a 48-612 in Wiesbaden, Germany.
I know the Dutch have the plane now. Is it still flyable?
I worked on the plane from 1964 to 1966.
I have a short 8mm clip of the plane.
Any information about the plane would be appreciated.
| Since you write to me, I assume you have read my info on my website.
That is all there is.
No, it is not airworthy anymore. They had it restored up to a point where crew were invited to come over to train a Dutch crew.
But on the 2nd test flight after restoration they had an engine failure and that problem brought things to a halt.
Later funding by sponsors was stopped due to the 2007-2008 financial crisis.
The last public appearance where 48-612 showed its props turning was in 2006 I believe.
It has since been on display inside the Aviodrome and for quite a while some work on it continued with hopes of it ever to fly again.
But then the Aviodrome got in difficulties itself and ‘the museum with flying aircraft’ was grounded to a more realistic approach, a museum with aircraft on display.
Some restoration on other aircraft is going on at the Aviodrome, with a glimmer of hope for better days and have some aircraft, probably smaller than the Constellation, return to the skies again.
| Ref. Curtiss C-46 msn 30202 N5141B and N4198A.
I wonder if you by chance have ever located photos of this C-46 while wearing US registrations N5141B or N4198A?
Alas, images of this Curtiss C-46 Commando would be much before my time of interest in 'propliners'. Joe Baugher's website offers the following information on this dark horse
96540 (MSN 30202) to XB-XYZ-931 [probably ntu]; [probably XB-JED for ferry to Israel 1948]. To 4X-ACT. By 1954 was 4X-ALC of ARKIA-Airlines in Israel, Ltd. To N5141B 27Jan56; AN-AIR 26Mar56; N4198A 12Feb59
|I came across your website while looking for information on the disappearance of my grandmother.
She and her husband, Howard Williams, disappeared on 04May1978 from their farm in Abbotsford, BC.
They left in their Cessna 182 and were never seen again...
The plane had the call number C-GWNL, but was de-registered in 1984 and the call number has since been re-assigned. The plane was white with a green stripe.
Here's a news article on the disappearance for more information: https://imgur.com/a/HaBI8
I'm not sure if you'll have any insight, but it is believed at this point that the plane likely crashed. They may have been flying from Abbotsford to Edmonton, but it's really not known as they did not file a flight plan.
If you're able to assist me in any way, I'd greatly appreciate it.
| I have been searching and searching for someone that knows Convair aircraft. Particularly the CV-240.
I have a piece of a tail fin and I am trying to identify the type of aircraft it belongs to.
I found a stamp on the back side of the skin. It is stamped into 1 of the stringers or reinforcement pieces (not sure the exact name) and I believe this stamp confirms what im hoping...that this is off a CV-240.
I was hoping you might know someone that could look at this stamp and tell me if thats what it means.
Do you know any Convair experts or anyone that might be familiar with these aircrafts?
I have searched everywhere and havent had any luck finding anyone that has ever worked on or knows about them.
If you google on WIX forum (Warbird Infromation Exchange) you may locate such a person.
If you are prepared to travel there are (probably) specialists in California, Wisconsin and Florida.
Perhaps this list is of use:
www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Convair 240-640 USA Census
I've added a Google Maps screendump on my Photos by Friends & Guests (44) page, to illustrate the sighting -Webmaster (21Feb2016)
My database showed:
Aad van der Voet (Oldwings.nl) narrowed it down after first adding a 5th:
Veterans Air Line en Veterans Air Express.
|Found it, with the help of a few people including an elderly pilot who has flown it himself:
NC88829 c/n 19415.
I was looking at your C-133 site and saw the C-117's. I just wondered if you had seen a C-117 ser. nu. 17140 up there? I acquired it from the Marine Corp in the early 80's and sold it to a company called Audi Air that was in Fairbanks. It was a great aircraft and just wondered if it was still around.
(more details on these aircraft, provided by Gary, on Photos by Friends & Guests p.42) and you'll see the nose section surviving in 2003 on a photo by Gerben Groothuis, Search For Identities.
[Leading to another question: what happened to this nose section..?]
|Answer is yes and no; it was broken up but many parts live on!
First I go found this page
So we see BuNo17140 became C-FALL for Air 500 in Canada.
This page got me to the construction number (c/n): 43385,
I found I came across it (as N9663N, registered as such for Florida Aircraft Leasing) in Florida in 1992 and 1999, but don’t think it ever flew operational there.
My own files show that the right wing went to a damaged bird (c/n 43301, N32TN) in Alaska, while nose section, tailfin, control surfaces live on on another C-117: c/n 43332 N99857 (then owned by Charley Clements); this was around (early) 2003.
|Understanding that Propliner Quarterly Magazine has ended with issue nr 141.
I am still looking for the back-issues:
No.19 (autumn 1983) & No. 20 (winter 1983).
Anyone who could help me with those 2 back-issues ?
sylvain j de haas leefsma
|I work for a shipping publication called TradeWinds. We publish a quarterly magazine, and one of the regular features in the magazine is a column on 'the other Trade Winds (the ones that aren’t the world’s most authoritative shipping magazine)'.
So far we have featured a chick-lit novel, the 1938 film and the 1993 mini-series. now, as you know, there was also a now-defunct airline called Tradewinds, which sounds as though it could make an interesting feature.
I wonder whether you have any idea of how I could contact someone associated with the airline, please?
It really depends on talking to someone to bring the thing to life (if you’re wondering whom we interviewed for the article on 1938 film, cast and crew were scarce on the ground so we talked to the movie critic Leonard Maltin).
I have no contacts in the aviation world, so any help you could give me would be hugely appreciated.
Julian Stuart (3-2014)
Note there was Tradewinds AIRLINES of the U.S. and Tradewinds AIRWAYS in the U.K.
Tradewinds Airlines (US) flew CL-44s, originally with Wrangler markings (for the clothing company). They moved on to Tristars, and then A300s.
My name is Elvis, I am a Croatian soldier (airman) and I this request.
In the barracks where I work, we came up with the idea to rebuild and set as a museum piece, an old DC-3. The idea is to house a permanent exhibition of some sort or even a military club.
The DC-3 is very old and in pretty bad shape, but we believe that with a little effort and with the help of civil aviation enthusiasts we can achieve our goal.
I wonder if you can help us in our endeavor in terms of helping us to find some old unusable parts for DC-3? We need this parts just to set up aircraft for display.
For a start we need a set of old used tires so we can drag the plane to a place where he would be exposed.
If you can help in any way, please contact me at this email.
This is location of a DC-3:
and this is where we plan to display aircraft:
in the middle of the map. Trees are cut already.
[I think this is the DC-3 in question:www.airliners.net/photo/2035385/L/
|My grandfather Leonard Mandel flew on missions to deliver gold to Chiang Kai-shek. He was a military lawyer, and I infer that an attorney was required to oversee such a transaction.
He died of natural causes before I was born and I have never been able to find any records of his participation.
Do you have any suggestions?
Is there a list of specific missions and passengers?
Michael Ross (Jan.2014)
Advised to try to contact Prof Leeker at the University of Dallas
| I am seeking any info on Jack Scavenius, President / Owner of Mount McKinley Airways.
He was the first Alaska Wing Commander of the Civil Air Patrol in 1948. I am trying to put together his Biography on my CAP history website at
Any help would be most appreciated.
See also my webpage Alaska's Early Aviation
"I have a newspaper article from the La Mesa Scout (down by San Diego, CA) from 1938 that refers to Norris Johnson, a pilot whose Wien
Alaska Airlines Stinson crashed in 1938 with my grandfather (D. Frank Park) on board.
It crashed on a mountain top in the Koyukuk area about 30 miles south of Wiseman.
Evidently there was something about it in the Fairbanks News-Miner. The party was found on June 21st 1938 and I have the telegram from Wiseman, Alaska to the Nordale Hotel in Fairbanks.
The Scout referred to it as the midnight sun flight.
And that is all I know.
Do you have any information on Norris Johnson or about that flight? They ended up walking about 26 miles to the nearest lake where a pontoon plane landed and picked them up."
Virginia (May 2013)
In aug.2012 I received following information:
I have had the distinct pleasure of being in contact with a few of the very fine gentlemen who were affiliated with both planes. One of them was actually the pilot of the Miss Vicki.
I learned a few very cool things from my Dad, and from Mr. Luther, about parts of the history of the Miss Vicki. Apparently she was quite the celebrity and very unique. My Dad told me that at one point during his tour there, Ann-Margaret and Johnny Rivers came over there to entertain the troops!
|The Wasilla C-123 and the one referred to as 'Miss Vicky' are different airframes, as explained by Steve Darke, specialist in 'Thai propliners':
C-123K 55-4548 c/n 20209 went to SVNAF as 'QR'; then to RThaiAF as B.L4k-6/16 (MAP from Clark 22-Jun-73); toc 23-Jun-73 by DoAE with TT 12935.5 hrs; to 61 Squadron 04-Feb-74; re-numbered 601 Squadron 01-Oct-77; soc 27-Feb-84 with TT 14117.6 hrs; allocated to display at Don Mueang & still preserved there 2012 (painted as 55-569, because this was a Royal Flight aircraft).
I checked the dataplate about 15 years ago.
I have no other data on its Vietnam service, but it was probably 'Miss Vicki'. No connection with the C-123 in Alaska.
The real C-123K 55-569 c/n 20230 went to RSaudi AF, back to USAF, then SVNAF as 'RJ'. Then to RThaiAF as B.L4k-7/16 (MAP from Clark 22-Jun-73); toc 23-Jun-73 by DoAE with TT 6261.6 hrs; to 61 Squadron 23-Nov-73; upgraded to Royal aircraft 01-Jun-76; re-numbered 601 Squadron 01-Oct-77; air conditioner installed 28-May-80; noted Jan-81 ; damaged 2-May-81 & repaired; damaged U-Tapao 10-Jul-85 & repaired 28-Jul-85 to 16-Jan-86 (also reported as preserved at Chiang Mai at least May-85 thro' Feb-87 with code '4112' ); wfu Feb-91; soc 21-May-91 with TT 8478.3 hrs; given to 'Tango' & noted stored on 'Tango' apron Don Mueang 1996; still stored at Don Mueang 2000; to Nakhon Nayok by 2005 & still there.
I was very interested in what you have on early Alaskan operators and your page on Cordova Airlines and Alaska Aeronautical Industries, which mentions a Jack Peck.
In Apr.1958 Otter N98T was bought by a Mr Vernon J. Peck (adress Saratoga,FL as well as Anchorage,AK: the Otter was in Alaska.).
Is this the same man as Jack Peck?
In August 1958 the Otter flew from Alaska down to Seattle and the engine failed: luckily it was on floats and could land on the water. It continued on to Seattle. and then
I have seen a photograph of it in Oakland,CA in Dec.1958, on wheels.
In Jan.1961 it was registered to Sea Airmotive (Seair) of Anchorage and operated by them until 1974, although it crashed a few times.
It was repaired and reg'd to a Richard V. Peck, and sold by him in Mar.1977 to Peninsula Airways of Anchorage.
So, this Otter was very much involved with the Peck family, and I wonder if that is the same Jack Peck and his family which founded Alaska Aeronautical Industries and if your correspondents might have any more information on these people, Vernon J. Peck and Richard V. Peck and on this Otter?
Karl E. Hayes Author DHC-3 Otter, a monograph
|I’m trying to find information on an old plane crash that took the life of my grandfather in 1943. If I have my information correct, he was a civilian pilot for the Royal Canadian Air Force.
In June of 1943, he was flying supplies somewhere in Alaska and the plane went down.
To my knowledge, the plane was not recovered. I’m wondering if this has changed?
His name was Gilbert E. Enger.
I have had a difficult time getting information because he wasn’t Canadian, he wasn’t technically in the RAF, etc…
Not sure where or how I could research more.
I am inquiring about any photos or articles that you may know of pertaining to a Pan American Consolidated Commodore 16, named Porto Rico, registered NC664M.
It had belonged to Clarence Chamberlin and then passed to Alaska Star Airlines. On its delivery flight to Anchorage, it caught fire and sank at Lake Takla in British Columbia, Canada.
There is a photo of it with a caption in the book: 'Airlines of Pan American Since 1927', on page 282, where it had crash-landed in a sugar-cane field when an engine failed. That was 13 August 1930.
It was repaired at Dinner Key base in Miami and put back in service until 1943 when sold to Clarence Chamberlin.
I am unsure of the date of its fire in Lake Takla. I have heard it could have been 1942; which would mean the caption of the photo in the book may have the wrong year.
Also, the book has the name Puerto Rico; but, I heard it was really named Porto Rico.
We are looking for any photos of it on fire and the correct date and any other photos of it or articles when it belonged to Alaska Star Airlines.
Pamela Gay (Librarian)
San Diego Air & Space Museum
| I got an airsickness bag from the airline CONDOR which seams to be quite old. I got this bag from somebody living in UK.
There is of course an airline with this name in Germany, but the name is not written in capital letters. The description how to use the bag is in English and French. The French sounds perfect, but English is not as good.
Do you have an idea which airline this could be?
If you want to have a look about our collection, see our website:
| Checking with ATDB.org online database,
I searched for 'Condor' and found also US companies appeared; the entire list being-
Condor Berlin, 1997- (current)
Condor Flugdienst, 1961- (current)
Condor Airlines, 1946-1947 (Peru)
Condor Aviation, 1978-1996 (USA,NY base Niagara Falls)
Condor Club Int’l, ??-?? (USA)
Condor Luftreederei, 1955-1961 (merged with/into Condor Flugdienst)
The last 4 dont exist anymore.
Niagara Falls is near the French speaking part of Canada...?
I am looking for an Grumman Albatross sponson and came across your 2008 Tucson tour.
Do you have a contact number for SAMCO?
|Try Chuck Wootan, (520) 440-0820|
Latest volume of the Air-Britain dc-3 history lists N86596 c/n 4975 as being derelict at a theme park in Bayamon PR in 2001. Only reference I can find on web to this is at
Not helpful as no date or exact location.
Do you have any further information as to location and/or current status?
|DC-3A/C-53C N86596 was on display in El Parque del Tren, in Bayamón, Puerto Rico. It was at coordinates 18.3934N 66.1525W, still visible in old Google Earth imagery.
The park was closed and demolished in 2001/2002, to make way for new roads. The DC-3 was last noted in the park in Nov 2001.
It is rumoured to have been moved to Patillas, Puerto Rico by Nov 2002, where it is said to be in use as a tourist office. No confirmation of this yet though, any news on this would be welcome !
Aad van der Voet
I have heard that Canso CF-OFJ has been on Greenland for a period of 4 weeks, in the autumn 1963, instead of Canso CF-CRP; there was home for reparation after a landing accident in Maniitsoq.
They flew regular passenger flight between Sonderstrom (Bluie West 8) and Narssarssuaq (Bluie West 1) and the cities on the west coast, for Greenland Air, on charter from Eastern Provincial Airways.
Maybe someone has taken photos?
And I am also searching for photos of Canso CF-FAR and CF-IHB as well as Catalina CF-JTL.
Canso CF-NJE from Midwest Airlines, Winnipeg, or Nordair, Montreal, has also been on Greenland for a period after the fatal crash of CF-IHA in Godthaab, Greenland, on the 12 of May 1962.
It was painted with a lot of diagonal stripes on the tail.
Would anyone have a colour photo of that Canso, that they will share with me?
I have a B/W photo.
I’m still trying to find a photo of Canso CF-OFJ.
CF-OFJ, CV 315, ex RCAF s/n 11033, crashed 23 June 1965 while making a water pickup at Little Catalina Lake, Newfoundland. Captain Bjerg was killed, but his co-pilot, Max Wiseman, survived the crash.
CF-OFJ was flying for The Government of Newfoundland & Labrador.
I often met Poul Bjerg when he was captain on EPA Catalina’s when he flew for Greenland Air in the 60th. Poul Bjerg was a Dane.
|I am working on a profile art of Martinair Holland DC-7C PH-DSO 'Bering Sea'.
There is one detail I cannot discern from online photographs and that is what is written near the door, particularly just behind the door.
Some photos show what could be 'Martinair' in small letters curved over the door, but it isn't in every photo. But whatever is written behind the door looks to have been there when the airline used Martin's Air Charter titles. It is quite short, maybe 'MAC', but I can't work that out from the limited number of pixels...
Don't think it is the Douglas logo but you never know. Other airlines stuck the Douglas logo in such a position.
I had a discussion with a man who claimed he had seen a picture in a book, of a KLM Lockheed 049 ready for delivery to Swiss Air Lines (in 1950?) in Amsterdam, already painted in Swissair's livery.
Do you know anything?
A discovery of such a picture would create a great sensation among Swiss Connie fans.
|Ron Mak provided the answer, the translation Dutch to English is by the Webmaster
April 1949 (HB-IBI) Swiss Air Lines agreed with KLM for delivery of 3 Constellations PH-TAU, PH-TAV (2069) and PH-TAW (2070).
Due currency fluctuations Swiss Air Lines got into financial difficulties and the deal fell thru.
One of the aircraft had been painted in Swiss AL c/s but it is not known which one.
Originally a deal was in the making with Czechoslovakia but the US objected to this and Swiss AL came in the picture.
Source: Herman Dekker's book about the Lockheed Constellation, 1990
I came to Canada from Scotland in 1970 and began work with the Hudson's Bay Company. I flew in many different bush planes over the years and I wonder if you might know this piece of information, since I am writing a book about those times.
I first flew to Sandy Lake, about 200 miles North of Sioux, with the airline that carried mail. For that trip they always used a Beechcraft 18. I don't remember the name of the airline and that is what I am trying to find out.
The mail plane I flew on was flown from Sioux Lookout to Sandy Lake via Deer Lake. The Beech 18 had no paint job at all, it was plain silver all over, and didn't even have the operator's name painted on it as I recall.
Ideally I would like to find out the name of the pilot too, since he brought our mail all the time I was posted to Sandy Lake.
Jay Ladell wrote me in April 2010:
Thanks for posting the photos of the CF-HMX at Hall Beach.
"My grandfather, Captain Josef Cermak (RAF), died in a York during the same time running DEW-line flights as CF-HMX.
He crashed at Thoa River on 29Sep1955. The plane CF-HMV sank, but the co-pilot survived on the aircraft wing, which broke-off and remained at the surface.
I imagine the plane is still there in shallow waters?
We would love to find-out the actual location of the crash, but the Thoa River seems fairly long.
Here are two links about the crash:
If you happen to come across anything, please let me know..?"
|Jay himself cam up with this:
I just found this account and sketch (http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/s,fm159york.html) of the crash from one of the people involved in the rescue effort.
While his account is missing specifics, the date, location and details of the crash definitely line-up with those of my grandfather's crash!
My father Tom Wilson, who is 90, claims to have been on (one of) the first delivery flights of the Convair 240 to Australia.
After 5 months of looking for some info, I got the flight log and it has no info to prove he was on it...
Photos, which may be of help, on my Photos by Friends & Guests (25).
Mary wrote she has become convinced that Tom Wilson was on the first plane delivered, the 'John
Forrest'. With only the crew onboard and a few 'no names'.
But Mary wrote:
Bob suggested following newspaper article
As a result of that article Mary obtained the crewnames but found the passengers were listed seperately on a 'manifest'...
CV240 c/n 64 would make it VH-TAQ.
History on VH-TAQ:
I have been having a bit of argument with some guys about the 'RI-001'
in the Jakarta armed forces museum and have a theory about the correct
It is certainly NOT c/n 26903, as that is a January 1945 delivered C-47B. That the original 'RI-001' was c/n 26903 - ex VR-HEC - is well documented.
An 'RI-001' was on display at the museum by April 1984 with decidedly
DC-3A port hand doors (see Airliners.Net photo 0267293) and another
photo on A.Net dated November 2007 (photo 1327602) shows exactly the
same DC-3A port hand doors.
As regards what appears to be a DC-3A at the museum - there is surely no reason why the museum would retrofit the wrong doors - so it can reasonably be assumed that it is a DC-3A and from examination of the Air Britain book it is evident that there are precious few contenders from either AURI or the many civil aircraft on the Indonesian register over the years - as nearly all have been C-47s - in fact I suggest that PK-WWL (c/n 3275) is the most likely candidate as this was around Jakarta still in September 1981.
It would be interesting to learn when the Dak first went on display in
the museum - my guess is it was in the early 1980s. Do you have any
knowledge of when it was first displayed?
I recently returned from holidays on the Canary Islands. One day I've visited Tenerife Norte los Rodeos Airport (TFN), on a day trip from Lanzarote with a Binter ATR-72.
I’m a producer at Lion TV, and we’re developing a new documentary tv series all about the world of cargo pilots.
We’re after world-class fliers and companies with big, maverick personalities and an unparalleled passion for aviation – companies who get the job done and the cargo delivered safe and sound, day in and day out.
I’m particularly interested in Mom & Pop operations flying a range of aircraft – I really love the look and skill that goes into flying and maintaining old Douglas planes and the like.
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|My reply, from top of my head..
The most obvious candidates for you would be Everts Air Cargo of Fairbanks,AK (also based at Anchorage,AK); maybe you can pick up a copy of propliner magazine, just out, Ralph Pettersen details the Everts family and their freight airline.
Try via my page www.propliner-mag.htm
Buffalo Airways in Yellowknife and Hay River, family of McBryan running the show there. Featured in the Ice Pilots program.
Fairbanks has another candidate: Brooks Fuel, Roger and his son can be contacted.
Anchorage also has Andrea Larson & her husband running Transnorthern, great people and Super Dakotas!
Penair in Alaska operates the Grumman Goose on passenger flights to the Aleutians.
Air North of Whitehorse,Yukon operates a few Avro 748s, vintage props from the UK.
Conair of Abbotsford,B.C. has a long history of operating propliners for use of aerial firefighting.
At Red Deer,Alberta you'll find Airspray, also a propliner 'air tanker' operator.
Aero Union in California operates former US Navy patrol aircraft P-3 for firefighting.
Butler in Redmond,OR same thing, Big Dougs, not P-3s though.
Check out Kelowna Flightcraft of Kelowna,BC - they convert such aircraft; they'll be able to bring you in contact with an outfit formerly knows as Contract Air Cargo, but was renamed Gulf & Caribbean, probably not based anymore in Michigan.
Florida has Carlos Gomez, of Florida Air Transport and also hires out to Nostalgia flight operators and he is involved in resurrecting Eastern Airlines' DC-7... Great guy, but very busy now with the Haiti thing. Based at Opa Locka,FL near Miami.
Another Super DC-3 outfit at or near Miami is TMF, but I don't know them too well.
Missionary Flight, based at Fort Pierce,FL operates radial- and turbo engined DC-3s for relief stuff to places like Haiti. They probably would make for some diversity in propliner operators.
I haven't been in years to Florida, but check out my friend's pages on www.michaelprophet.com
There is a guy in Hemet,CA (I think) who operate DC-3 for films; seen in the last James Bond film (another angle to use of propliners).
A DC-3 outfit operates into the Catalina Islands (from LA - Long Beach?)
There is Four Star Air Cargo of San Juan,PR. Operate DC-3 in the Carib.
South Africa is mainly nostalgia flights, but Phoebus Apollo operate propliners for cargo from Jo'burg-Rand.
In the UK is Air Atlantique, the owner has a huge love & tradition for vintage prop transports. based at Coventry.
I dont suppose you want to go to Bolivia?
I am trying to trace a book which I believe is called "Roll back the skies", by
It is his autobiography.
He was an Australian pilot who flew on the Biafran Airlift and also was involved in flying L.1049 Super Constellations on ferry flights to Pakistan.
He is possibly a former QANTAS L.1049 pilot.
I have tried all the usual suspects: Amazon, ABE, Allibris, Evil-Bay, etc. without joy.
Do you have a copy? Do you know someone who has a copy? Can you tell me the ISBN number and or publisher?
Do you or does someone you know have a copy for sale? Can any of the visitors to your site help at all ?
Here are the details of the book you are looking for –
I have a copy of the book and it makes good reading.
I have a query regarding 3 C-46s that I saw at Miami in Sept. 1981.
After posting the query on Classic-Propliners Yahoo forum, the following replies were among those posted:
On a visit in October 1975 I took some
| Do you have and idea of the location of a Convair 600 that has been parked for salvage.
N74855 was reportedly being parted out in Texas at Sherman/Denison-Grayson County airport.
Kitty Hawk Aircargo operated several CV600/SCD's but ceased operations in 2008; some of their aircraft may be for sale but I have no contacts. They were based in Texas.
Rhoades Int'l also operated some, their aircraft were offered for sale at an auction and is/was based at Columbus,IN. There seems to be some surviving there, described as 'derelict'.
You may find contacts through www.airnav.com
N640CM is stored at El Paso IAP,TX but that is a CV640.
You can check the Census on http://www.oldprops.ukhome.net/Convair%20240-640.htm
There is an excellent online database: www.aerotransport.org/php but you may have to subscribe and pay a fee to get the info you search
When I was 8, my father's plane went down in Northern Quebec on June 7 1970. It was a Cessna 172. His Name Was Roy Smith.
The plane went down north of Seven Islands in Quebec. It was June 7th 1970, my father was the pilot.
We were lost and had to sleep in the bush in the tail of the plane ove night, as small planes could not see us from the sky and we were off our flight plan.
My father owned a Sarah Beacon at the time, which was not mandatory to have. He had shown my mother what to do if we ever crashed.
I was 8 years old, my older brother was 9 and my younger brother 5. My father was 34 and my mother 39.
My father and my older brother died in the crash. My mother was never told why the plane went down.
My father was my hero but my mother, a very brave woman, was my saving grace.
I have been trying to find information on the crash. Could you help me here?
Also, when I was young and we were living in Schefferville, Northern Quebec, I could have sworn that a bunch of us kids would play in an abandoned plane that had crashed just behind the house down by the lake.
I have been trying to find info on this too.
As for the 'Navajo suggestion', hmm, the white house was just down the street from where I lived. When did it crash? We lived in Shefferville until 1968.
| While inconclusive, the following suggestions on AvCanada forum were made:
go to http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/menu.htm use a-z index then click on civil aircraft register and historical marks (assuming you might know of the certificate of registration), enter it and see what pops up. wish you good luck
In Schefferville, was it a Navajo that crashed close to the "Guest House" ?
You might try searching here: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html
It is our national archive - they are slowly becoming digitized in their information so you might find something using the search tool:
A quick search of "aircraft crash" and "airplane crash" brought up some interesting hits...
Also, you might try here: http://www.banq.qc.ca/accueil/
|I am looking fo some back issues of the magazine 'Propliner'.
These would be Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 17, 21, 26.
Hope you can help me,
Regensburg, Bavaria (Germany)
I worked for an airline here in Australia that operated HS748's as night freight/pax charter and when the airline went bankrupt, I didn't get the chance to take a piece of an aircraft as memorabilia before they were cut up or sold for spare parts. These aircraft are a famil sentimental favourite and I am trying to track down anything from them that I can find to have as memorabilia.
Would you by any chance know where I can find something or who else I should contact?
Hanna Walsh [Jan.2010]
Try BAe at Woodford in the UK, where the 748s were made. Or the Avro Heritage Centre based at Woodford. -Michael Blank
There is probably a source much closer to this lady - International Air Parts in Sydney.
If she is in Sydney, there is a 748 at Bankstown in pieces, I'm sure if she asks nicely hey would give her something. Plus this aircraft was owned by the company she worked for. Seems logical.
Richard Church wrote:
|I saw what I think was the Beechcraft Seawind on an edition of the TV show 'Wings Over Canada'. What a beautiful floatplane she is!
I noticed the pilot getting in and out of the cockpit via an overhead hatch..? What is the purpose of the hatch in this location? Is it for easy escape in case of ditching or just for ease of getting into cockpit?
And is there access from the cockpit to the rest of the aircraft or are the pilots isolated from the passengers and cargo.
Are there any pictures anywhere of the interior... looking forward, backward.
A reply was quickly forthcoming on Yahoo's Beech18 forum:
Actually, the cockpit exit was an aftermarket kit originally stc'd by Lee Cameron of Aerospace Products. It allowed the cabin to be filled up with cargo. For the seaplane versions its invaluable to allow the pilot quick egress to enable docking, etc. Its usually noisy as its hard to seal and downgrades the airframes value since few still operate in that freight mode. Hamilton also provided one on his conversions but might have used Lee's STC. Not sure.
Nothing changes as to cabin/cockpit access.
For a photo on a Beech 18 interior see my visit to Cape Cod Airport.
|I have a photo of a woman-pilot Iren Irvin.
But I do not know anything about her. Google hasn't helped at all.
Can someone tell me about Iren Irvin. Is she a bushpilot?
| The name is spelled incorrectly; Irene Irvine
She is listed in a group of what seems to be early Alaska women pilots, as Irene Irvine Ryan (married to mr Ryan I suppose):
More here on Irene Ryan
|I found your article interesting (via googling DH Heron/Saunders).
Do you know of any restoration work going on for the Heron.
I have in my possession an unused prop.
|I wonder if you could help me with getting in contact with anyone who might be interested in buying some Convair APU parts.
Either Convair owners or companies that do maintenance work on them.
I work in the commercial aviation business, but I am having trouble connecting with the people who might be working with Convairs.
| Number of ConvairLiner operators are dwindling fast...
Kelowna Flightcraft in Canada (B.C.) converts them into a stretched version (CV5800) and fire fighting aircraft
Conair, of Abbotsford, B.C. operates a number of these CV580 turned firebombers.
Largest CV580 operator (and only CV5800 operator) is Gulf & Caribbean Cargo Inc (IFL Group) of 6860 S Service Dr Waterford, MI 48327
Tel. (248) 666-5910. No website afaik.
Why did the pilot Noel Wien fly on North Cape on Russian Chukotka per 1925?
Alexander found answers by his own research:
More source info: Olaf Swenson in "Northwest of the World. Forty Year’s Trading and hunting in Northern Siberia", London, 1951 (Olaf Swenson is an owner of schooners Elisif & Nanuk).
|'The Book' says 1924 was 1st year of Noel Wien in Alaska, Russia was off limits
then. Wien was a pioneer and Russia was 'close' so a challenge. Opportunity came around when
early Feb 1929 (!) Russia suddenly allowed flights across the Bering Straight.
Wien Alaska Airways received at that time a query from Swenson Herskowitz Trading Company (N.Y. fur dealer which held exclusive rights for fur trading with Siberia) to fly to an icebound vessel off the coast of Siberia, to rescue a usd 600.000 cargo of white fox pelts.
There was a 2nd lot worth usd 8.000 pounds of furs in a Siberian village.
The ship was named Elisif, but is also referred to as Ellis F.
This is from the book 'Noel Wien - Alaska Pioneer Bush Pilot' by Ira Harkey Jr (University of Alaska Press, 1974)
|I have brief details of a aircraft crash which happen at Cordova, Illinois on the 4/4/1927 whilst on a flight from Ponca City, OK. to Chicago. I would be grateful for any further in depth information you could give me on the crash i.e. type of aircraft, name of pilot, name of airline etc. Thank you.
|(Referred to Links page for links to NTSB and Aviation Safety Network)|
My name is Stephanie Lysdale-Kohler and I am resarching the ownership of a 1929 Hamilton Metalplane NC-875, which was restored by my grandfather (Jack Lysdale) in the 70's and changed to NC-879.
I know that NC-875 was purchased in 1945 by Northwest Air Service of Seattle (Joe Crosson and partners) for use in Fairbanks, and another owner was John Cross of Deering, Alaska.
I also know that it was purchased in 1951 and brought to MSP/ST.Paul area from Lake Hood, Alaska, whereby my grandfather came into possession of it in 1972. I am trying to find out more information on how it was used in Alaska previous to 1951 and any info/photos/people to contact would by extremely helpful !!
Correct registration was NC875H, making it H-47 msn 65.
For NC-875 see
|Hi, I’m looking to contact an old fire-bomber pilot named EARL BELLOTTE (or BELOTE)?? who flew for Bob Schlaeflie, also Hawkins & Powers, or anyone in the fire-bomber business who might know him or of his whereabouts.
| I am involved in efforts to locate C54D 42-72469, lost between Anchorage and Great Falls in January of 1950.
I am familiar with information you have about this plane on your website. I was wondering how you got the detailed aircraft histories, especially the military portions.
Do military records such as maintenance or logbooks still exist somewhere?
I am also looking to find former C-54 air or ground crewmembers from 1950 or so to ask questions about procedures and equipment in 1947-50 for AirForce and MATS C54 operations.
I am running into walls trying to locate a history for this aircraft. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
| Went to Israel again and noticed the rudder from an old IDF/AF Stratocruiser; it has appeared at the edge of the military ramp.
I have been going there for a few years now, a few trips each year, and have never noticed this before.
The Air Force are having a bit of a clear out recently, with the older 707s being picked clean and the entire C-130 transport fleet has recently moved out.
Perhaps this part has re-surfaced again with all this activity.
Interesting to see if anyone knows which frame it's from or, indeed, why it remains ?
|I am desperately seeking for a warbird aircraft such as C-46 or B-23 or DC-3 or any other aircraft
of this type.
It does not need to fly. Even an old, not restaurated aircraft would do.
It will be put in a educativ - recreation park for mentally handicapped people in France.
I would appreciate it if you could help me with my research in Europe.
My best regards.
| I´m involved in a new proyect about aviation accidents in the Sierra Nevada Mountains (Granada,Spain).
One of the aircraft was a DC-4 of the US.Navy, an R5D-3 BuNo 56521 with JM tail codes, so called JM521.
This bird was assigned to VR-24 at Naples, Italy.
I know this is very diffficult but perhaps you or any friend of you could have any in his collection?
| Matt Miller showed a direction and add'l details:
I obtained a black & white of 56521 from Brian Pickering (MAP) a few years ago. Seems to be taken at Blackbushe. Photo is from left side and shows 'Ciudad de Madrid' as name. From my notes, this was a loaned negative; I don't know if he has a copy in his main catologue?
His web site is www.mar.co.uk
Hugo Ruiz sent me an interesting link: www.vr-24.org
I work at the NASA Fol at El Paso,TX where we maintain and operate the NASA Super Guppy.
| With the help of contributions from the Classic-Propliner Yahoo forum, the following was formulated in reply:
Hawkins & Powers had a large stock of C-97 spares at Greybull. I doubt if they sold it all in the August 2007 auction. The contact for them would be Ralph Rayner from the Museum - he still has close ties with Great American who took over H&P assets.
Also, at least three of their C-97s were sold to Clay Lacy, undoubtedly including many spares. It may be wise for NASA to contact Clay Lacy Aviation Inc. at Van Nuys.
I have forwarded your request to the guys from the Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation, they are restoring a C-97 and have collected spares in many places; they are located at the Floyd Bennett Field in Brooklyn NY. See info at www.spiritoffreedom.org
There are several salvage yards at Tucson,AZ and am sure C-97 parts should be available there. Maybe Haveco can help? Dave Howells is the owner. Mailing address is 2715 S Pace West Dr, Tucson, AZ 85730-1421. Phone 520-906-0875."
At Tucson, former Dross Metals is now ARM (Aircraft Restoration & Marketing) - same yard as Dross, just a name change. Sorry, no contact details but 99% sure they have C-97 parts.
|Do you know when the CV240s that were at Daytona Beach, left or were broken up?
| Walter Wilson replied:
I think they all belonged to Trans Florida Airlines.
On Wikipedia, two examples are mentioned there and how they met their demise.
Here is what is shown on ATDB--
N1020C (my favorite, having rode on it) was parted out at Daytona Beach (DAB) & (nose section went to Mojave for preservation)
N1022C went to Prop-Liners of America
N12903 changed to N12905 last reported 'Derelict'
N295M shows stored at DAB
N7761 parted out DAB
N91237 destroyed @SJU "
|Have been reading up on the Shackleton as I noticed that there is very little on the C/N or MSN's being quoted in any of the photos or in a couple of the books on their history.
Can you be, or anyone be, a help in listing Aircraft seriel no., to C/N or MSN, or where I might find out the info.
| Steve Mitchell replied:
A good site for individual aircraft histories is
However you will find little about C/Ns in this site, apart from the South African fleet, since Avro did not traditionally issue C/N for British military aircraft they built - to them the serial number was unique enough.
|I would like to try to find out what happened to either of these 2 aircraft: C-118A 53-3295, 53-3823
In 1964 my first assignment in the Air Force was Andrews AFB. I and another airman were assigned as 4th and 5th 'wipers' on 53-3285. This aircraft was used by Air Force Systems Command to haul General Schriever around.
It was set up pretty well with couch, office desk and chair, etc. Not like some of the later 'special' aircraft. We did a lot of polishing on that plane.
The other plane 53-3823 was at Scott AFB and was an Air Evac plane. I was the crew chief on that one. Didn't sleep much. True crew chief system.
Present when the plane was in, and off when it was gone. But had to be there 1 hour before scheduled landing and stay for one hour after take-off.
I'm just curious what may have happened to these aircraft. Any Idea how to locate information about them? Thanks
| 53-3295 (not 3285 as you write later on?) is c/n 44666.
It may still be around as a fairly recent refence book (Piston Engined Airliner production List by TAHS) has it reported in May 1975 at Tucson's AMARC, stored without further use. Then again, it may have gone to the scrapper...
Joe Baugher's website offers the following:
Batch 53-3223/3305 Douglas C-118A Liftmaster c/n 44594/44676 [At least four more to US Navy as 153691/153694].
The other one: 53-3823 is a serial of a cancelled batch KC-97G Stratofreighters and I would suspect you mean 53-3223, which has the following on that webpage:
53-3223 (c/n 44594) was converted to VC-118A, then to civil registry as N43883 of Atlas Aircraft of Miami,FL; then as HI-292CT (Dominicana).
This aircraft is sitting inside a hangar at Santo Domino Int'l Airport (reported Nov.2006) awaiting (hopefully) restoration.
|I am trying to contact anyone who was involved with Steward-Davis Inc.,
especially during the 60s and 70s and would know about the Jet-Packet aircraft.
I have a small page on S-D and am keen to add to it:
I am writing to enquire as to whether you could help me trace
the history of a Dakota aircraft for a local history group. The aircraft in
question is Dakota TS436, the last Dakota III delivered to the RAF on
october 21st 1944.The aircraft crashed locally and we would like to put up
some information along with its scant remains in the local museum.
I have been unable to get any records for the aircraft between its delivery in october and its definate service with 107 OTU squadron in January. I suspect that it was first delivered to the Heavy Glider servicing Unit (Netheravon) before operating with 107 sqdrn. If it did, then it may have taken part in operations over europe.
The aircraft crashed on the 19th Feb 1945 minutes after take off. It was
heavily loaded and failed to climb, crashing into a hill 2 miles from the
airfield. 21 passengers and crew died at the scene, with pilot commiting
suicide many months later.
What I have is:
Photos sent by Dan Willink in Aug.2009 of the Memorial at my page Photos by Friends & Guests, page 20.
|I am hoping you can help me. My father was crew chief on a C-47 in World War 2 and I am trying to identify what unit he served with. He passed away several years ago and his military records were destroyed in a fire in St. Louis. All I have is a photo of the c-47 he maintained with this number on the tail H 2100757. I gathered from your sight that this is probably the registration number. Is that correct and do you have any idea how I can get the record for that particular aircraft? Any help would be appreciated.
That number would refer to 42-100757.
| I am building a facility at Lone Star Executive Airport (KCXO) in Montgomery County, Texas. It will house a restaurant, pilot’s lounge and stop and office complex. The design calls for an aircraft body (minus one wing) nestled up against the roof line, with the tail out over the entrance to the café.
The plane should be totally stripped and preferably one that needs to be 'rid off'.
Looking at your website, there seems to be some dead DC 3’s around? Maybe I could give one a fitting purpose at Lone Star Executive Airport bringing attention to it and Starbird Aviation….
What would you guess the weight of a DC3 total stripped, carcass and wings and tail might weigh?
|About 7 ot 8 in various stages of 'undress' obtainable through a source in Camarillo,CA.|
| I am up in the state of Maine and running the FBO at Wiscasset airport. Our name is Ocean Point Aviation. I have an interest in opening a theme-based restaurant here and would love to find a DC-4 or DC-7 relic that is bound for scrap that I can fit out here as seating space. Where can I look for an old fuselage of that sort? Any help you can give me will be much appreciated.
David Stapp (Feb.2008)
Ocean Point Aviation, LLC
More to the southwest: Both at Roswell,NM and El Paso,TX have quite a selection of ConvairLiners stored.
| I am writing to enquire as to whether you could help me trace the history of a Dakota aircraft for a local history group. The aircraft in question is Dakota TS436, the last Dakota III delivered to the RAF on October 21st 1944.The aircraft crashed locally and we would like to put up some information along with its scant remains in the local museum.
I have been unable to get any records for the aircraft between its delivery in October and its definate service with 107 OTU squadron in January. I suspect that it was first delivered to the Heavy Glider servicing Unit (Netheravon) before operating with 107 sqdn. If it did, then it may have taken part in operations over Europe.
The aircraft crashed on the 19th Feb 1945, minutes after take off. It was heavily loaded and failed to climb, crashing into a hill 2 miles from the airfield. 21 passengers and crew died at the scene, with pilot commiting suicide many months later.
|Air-Britain's book DC-3, the First Seventy Years provided the following details (but clearly more is wanted): C-47A-75-DL Construction nbr 19349: USAAF 42-100886 Delivered 29Dec43 - 8thAF 25Feb44 AF - 9 AF - TS436 RAF 107 OTU 10Aug44 - Crashed 19feb45 2 m. NE of Zeals, Destroyed by fire.|
| Do you know if there is anyone in Southern California who charters rides in their plane?
My Dad is a WWII vet and I would love to buy him a ride.
|Roger Syratt offered:
This outfit flies vintage biplanes and Harvards (T-6s for our American friends!) out of Carlsbad-Palomar,
Also there is another outfit that flies a Stearman out of Bermuda Dunes near Palm Springs, but I cannot find a website for them. If your contact, whom I assume is US based, is interested I'm sure if they call BD airport (details are on the web) they would be able to help, or if they can lay their hands on a copy of the widely available Pacific Flyer the flights are advertised in there.
Eric van Gilder offered:
Yanks Air Museum at Chino,CA is also a great place to visit for vintage transports.
| Hello, I noticed you are into old wrecks, and the real old flying haulers etc....
I have heard rumors of a wrecked Norseman on the shores of a lake in Manitoba. Somewhere between Kelsey generating station and YTH.
Apparently a 30 year old crash but nothing has been recovered from the site, WITCHAI LAKE, is the place. I have asked a few about it and no one knows...
| Could it be CF-ISM c/n 269 (ex/ 43-5278) which crashed in June 1978.
www.norsemanhistory.ca [the aircraft] offers the following info on the crash of CF-ISM:
| I ate at a restaurant in Palma de Mallorca while on a US Navy port visit in July of 1990. The restaurant adjoined a derelict DC-6 that was apparently forced down running drugs in the 1960s.
I heard it was no longer there.. any pictures of this one or info?
DC-6 EC-AVA 43118
| I was wandering if you have ever seen the crash site at Lake Namew, Saskatchewan.
It is in the South West corner of Jackfish Bay and it was a large float plane. There is a monument there. The guy that owns the guide service there (Jim Metz Sturgeon Landing) found it years ago.
I have pics of the monument and the wreckage.
There were several people killed and a some survived, including the guy that walked out some 20 miles to get help! I think the wreck was from the late 1950's.
The daughter of one of the people killed hired Jim to take her to the site about 6-7 years ago. It is about a hour and half boat ride to get there.
My father, John Peterson is from Maryland, and he and his buddy lived in Nome, Alaska for a while. I am almost positive it was the summer of 1946 (the summer before he started college.)
These two teenagers were working flipping burgers at the Nome Grill. At some point my father was helping someone deliver mail via airplane and the plane crashed...
All he has ever told me is that he was out in the wilderness for 3 days with a deceased pilot, one candy bar, and some curious bears! He really has very little to say about the whole traumatic event.
Is there any information on this tragedy out there?
| No reply, but one can consider directions:
I don't think online data will offer much, not of such an early date.
The NTSB may have some data, but an accident in 1948 is seems the earliest available online http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx - perhaps there are contact details to dig deeper.
And perhaps the answer is in Alaska; people of the Alaska Aviation Museum may be able to help:
Or perhaps through Alaska's Digital Archives: http://vilda.alaska.edu/index.php
The book Broken Wings (subtitled Tragedy & Disaster in Alaska Civil Aviation) details a crash on 06Apr44 in the chapter 'Whiteout' (page 262). The book is written by G.P.Liefer.
The accident concerns a Pan American Airways (flight 08) American Pilgrim 100-B, departing Nome that day with on board the pilot, 2 company flight mechanics and 3 passengers plus cargo and mail sacks. But the article states all perished in the crash, no survivors.
|I wondered if you could help me out. I am trying to trace a C-118 that was converted to cargo, in approx 1978, and leased to Air Vanni, based at the old Murtalla Mohamed Airport, Lagos, Nigeria until at least 1980 when I left.
On arrival, she carried an "N" registration, but was converted soon to a Nigerian registration.
I worked for Vanni International, a security company at the time, and we leased the aircraft from an American company to move new bank notes from the central bank in Lagos to provincial towns around Nigeria, returning with old notes for destruction. A flight crew of 4, a managing pilot, flying pilot, 1st officer and a flight engineer, along with 2 maintenance engineers, came along with the plane. It was reputed to have been in use by the president of Mexico as his state transport aircraft, prior to it's conversion.
I'd really like to find out anything I could about the old bird. She was the first aircraft I took the controls of.
|Posting on Classic-Propliners forum provided the following answers from Vito, Aad & Nils: |
Vito provided following details:
Make that 5N-ATD c/n 44059. Acquired from the Mexican AF by Atlas Aircraft Corp. in Aug-1977 as N88975. Converted to freighter May-1978 then sold to Intercontinental Airlines of Nigeria in Aug-1978. Leased to Air Vanni same month, returned to Intercontinental Airlines in 1980. Stored Lagos. Offered for sale in Jun-1982, with a total time of 26062 hours.
Unfortunately its further fate is unknown to me. It was almost certainly scrapped, presumably at Lagos, and the registration 5N-ATD had been cancelled by 1990.
But we have another candidate:
This must be:
C-118A c/n 44619/549
DD 07-02-1955 to USAF as 53-3248.
Bought by Interair Leases Inc. January 1977 and registered N92860.
Leased by Nigerian Trade Wings (Van Air) July 1978.
Crashed 28-04-1984 at San Manuel, AZ, USA, while operated by Seagreen Air Transport. No fatalities.
|I am writing to you for your help on a DC-3 mystery!
Back in April 1975 I visited the US and logged a DC-3 N61696 at West Palm Beach, Florida operated on behalf of AUTEC, the US Navy organisation which has a test site in the Bahamas. This outfit is mentioned on your website in relation to Fairchild F-27 N1004/N127HP of Hawkins & Powers, and you had some input from people who were associated with it. It apparently was flown by Imperial Aviation on behalf of AUTEC.
I was looking at the new Air Britain DC-3 monograph, and they have been unable to identify the DC-3 N61696. They have the reg in their index, but no c/n !! Apart from the fact that I saw it myself, this DC-3 is also reported several times in Aviation Letter at West Palm Beach 1974 to 1976, and in January 1976 without titles, so maybe sold around then, but what is its c/n and what became of it?? N61696 is now on the FAA register as a Cessna 172, since apparently 1975 and this DC-3 must never have been on the FAA register or Air Britain would have the details.
So, I wonder if I could have your help with this mystery. It is incredible that a DC-3 used on a government/navy contract would not be registered!
| I can't answer this question but I might be able to point you in the right direction...
'AUTEC' stands for something like the Atlantic Underwater Test & Evaluation Center. There are arrays of underwater hydrophones that are used to measure underwater noise signatures,etc., so this is a DoD facility.
I would expect to find AUTEC included in the list of US Navy abbreviations on page 122 of the new Air-Britain book (Vol.1) but it's not included and nor is NOTU. AUTEC is also not included in the USAF listing on page 115, which is less surprising, but AFETR isn't included either.
I did some work with NOTU and AFETR in November 1975 when Pan American was a principal contractor and RCA provided technical services with other DoD contractors. I would imagine that AUTEC would employ similar contractors.
The Air-Britain book would be better if FAA files had been examined for all DC-3 N-numbers. The current cost of an FAA CD is $10 and there are about 4,500 DC-3 N-numbers, so an investment up to $45,000 would be required simply to check all relevant FAA files though, in theory, the files should be consolidated for each aircraft. I don't believe that such an investment has taken place but I do think that FAA registration cards have been examined.
Given the DoD/AUTEC connection, I would not be surprised if this aircraft had a "black" registration. Similar restrictions applied to Air America aircraft registrations at this time but these files are now available from the FAA. Try asking the FAA for the file on N61696.
In the case of Fairchild F-27 N1004 c/n 33, this was bought by Hawkins & Powers Aviation in Aug88. Previously it was with the US Navy as BuA 161628, which might give it an AUTEC connection. Before you look for a DC-3 connection with BuA 161696, I need to say that this was a Bell TH-57B.
Hope this helps.
Martin S Best
Also not an answer, but I have a slide of N61696 taken at PBI on 28apr75 in full mauve AUTEC colours. So this sighting is definitely correct.
AeroTransport Data Bank
I checked the FAA record cards and they do not have a record for a DC-3 as N61696...
In fact only two aircraft are noted as having had this registration: the first was NC6196 a Consolidated Vultee BT-13A cn 5576 ex 41-7446 (cancelled 12Oct55) and the other was N61696 Cessna 172M cn 17264737 assigned by Cessna 27Nov74.
So it looks like these were false marks!
Karl E.Hayes solved the mystery!
|I am looking for photos / background information on a Fairchild C-82 Packet which was on display in a children’s playground in Hermosillo, Mexico.
Can anyone help???
It is rumored to be C-82A N6887C (44-23015) but this is unconfirmed at present (Oct.2007).
| Aad van der Voet wrote (Nov.2007):
Sadly, after having been in the Parque Popular Infantil for 23 or so years, the C-82 was very corroded and bits were falling off and endangered the children playing in the park. It was beyond hope or restoration, so the management decided to have it broken up and trucked out for scrap.
This already happened late 2005, but until recently Google Earth still showed it in the playing park at coordinates 29.0788N 110.9446W. Apparently they very recently updated their imagery, and it no longer shows it now.
Unfortunately the dark twin boom you see at the airport is an IAI Arava. Much too small to be a C-82.
| I am putting some history together of my Dad (about to be 86 this oct.2007). He was a HUMP pilot during WWII, then worked out of Saudi Arabia for Aramco for 8 years and later for Aero Service photographing all of Egypt in 1961.
My Dad's name is Foster "Mac" McEdward. He flew for 54 years and was fortunate to fly a DC-3 N8009 for the last 20 years of his career. He was a member of the Hump Pilots Association for many years. Anyone out there remember him? He would love to hear from you all.
Dad is now 86 and resides in Vermont where he has called home for over 60 years. I also live in Vermont and would be happy to relay any information / reactions.
Do you have any suggestions as to where I can find out more about the Aero Service and people who worked for them during the early 60's?
| I am a retired U. S. Coast Guard lieutenant commander. In 1959 and 1960, I was the navigator on the Coast Guard Cutter CLOVER, a 180 foot buoy tender-ice breaker out of Adak, Alaska, one of the Aleutian Islands. In September of 1959, a Reeve's Aleutian Airways DC-4 crashed into Great Sitkin mountain, located about 26 miles east of Adak, at the 2000 foot level when it was approaching Adak for a landing. I believe there were 17 on board the plane and all were killed. A Navy seagoing tug and my ship were dispatched by the Naval Air Station on Adak to take marines to Great Sitkin Island and land them to climb the mountain and bring down survivors and the dead. The marines brought down the 17 bodies and we transported them to Adak.
From my ship at anchor off of Great Sitkin, on the eastern side of the island, we could see the wreckage of the plane through binoculars. The tail and a section forward of the tail were visible. I am inclined to doubt that the wreckage was ever removed from Great Sitkin, but I have been unable to find a picture of it anywhere using search engines and I cannot see the wreckage using the Earth Google program. Perhaps it cannot be seen because of growth at the wreckage site through all of these years.
Do you have anything on this crash and the wreckage?
Robert V. Ricard
LCDR, USCG (Ret.)
Alexandre of AeroTransport Data Bank (www.aerotransport.org) came up with this article:
or this LINK
My husband and I have been doing research on our family history. I have just today discovered your website on aviation history and photography. I noticed one entry from a Robert V. Ricard - LCDR, USCG (Ret.) asking for information about a plane crash that occurred on Great Sitkin Island in Alaska in September 24, 1959. Apparently he was involved in the recovery operation of the passengers and crew who were on that plane.
|Around 1955 in western Pennsylvania, I used to see C-119s flying over, now and then.
One time, on a clear day, I looked up to see a brown C-119 Flying Boxcar execute a slow but well controlled 360 barrel roll...
It was at about 2,000 feet, heading west, at moderate speed. I think it took at least 10 seconds to complete the roll, with little loss of altitude.
I pointed it out to a friend beside me, but it seemed that the story didn't get any interest when we told it. About 12 years later I asked a Navy pilot if it was possible. He said, "Yes, they could have rolled that airplane." I assume that there was no cargo on board.
What do you think? Was it deliberate, or was there a problem with flight controls? Was the C-119 sturdy enough to do that with no problem? Dave Baker
Fred Hack answered this one: |
It is perfectly feasible to barrel roll any airplane, provided that the pilot has the skill to maintain exactly one G all the way around -- and nothing in the cockpit will be disturbed if he does it correctly. That can include a full glass of water without spilling a drop!
Probably the most famous roll was made by a Boeing test pilot. The Boeing president had invited all sorts of bigwigs to see the inaugural flight of the first 707 (at a lake near Seattle). The pilot not only rolled it... he rolled it twice. On landing, he was fired, but then re-hired when all the good publicity (about how strong the new airliner was) started coming in.
Although I flew an Albatross, our outfit in Libya had four C-119s (I'm not sure, but I think they were G models). The guys thought they were pretty rugged -- they often flew a 360 overhead (that's not the same as a 360 barrel roll) on landing and pulled 3 or more Gs in doing so!
Regardless, I don't think it's wise to roll anything that big as low as 2,000 feet.
One last true story.... two TWA pilots got into a discussion about rolling the 727 they were flying on a boring flight in the middle of the night. Believing they could do it without bothering the passengers, they tried it -- and promptly dished out and lost control. By the time they recovered they had lost 12,000 feet and torn several parts off the airplane, including gear doors, etc. (they had dropped the gear in the effort to recover). Needless to say, they were both fired.
| I recall as a boy, in 1951 or 1952, travelling from Melbourne to Brisbane by air. I always thought the aircraft was the Douglas DC3.
I think the name "The Rocket" or "Rocket" was painted on the nose...?
Would you know if this was in fact a TAA or ANA DC-3 or C-47? Would you know of the stops the aircraft may have made en route Melbourne / Brisbane?
|Clive Lynch and Andrew Ouston provided the answer:
Clive: This was probably T.A.A.'s "Rocket" service Melbourne to Brisbane non-stop, operated by their Convair 240s.
Ah ! That 45 degree climb after take-off, pressed back into the seat, swallowing like mad to ease the pressure on the ears...
Andrew: Melbourne-Brisbane vv "Rocket Route", Adealide-Sydney vv "Cannonball Route", Adelaide-Perth vv "Blue Ribbon Route" and Adelaide-Alice Springs-Darwin vv "Boomerang Route"....
Ansett also called the Adelaide-Sydney the "Rocket Route" for a while.
Some other routes to FNQ/NT had names as well.
|What was the airplane type used in John Wayne's movie High and Mighty?
Movie release date 1954.
| Each person boards the DC-4 airplane that's piloted by John Sullivan (Robert Stack—if that doesn't remind you of the Zucker classic, nothing will), co-pilot Dan Roman (John Wayne), navigator Lenny Wilby (Wally Brown), and first officer Hobie Wheeler (William Campbell). The crew is skeptical of Dan Roman because he crashed a plane years ago, resulting in the deaths of all on board—including his wife and child. Now they'll need to work together and with the stewardess, Miss Spalding (Doe Avedon), to ensure the comfort and safety of their passengers during the 12-hour flight.
|I am writing a short story about a TWA flight I took from New York to Cincinnati at the end of June 1955. The plane was a Super Constellation. I believe the seats were four across -- two and two, but I'm not sure. Do you know what the seating configuration might have been on that type of plane at that time? Thank you. Noel||I checked the book by Peter J.Marson for this, The Lockheed Constellation Series (Air-Britain, 1982) as he is the authority on the L. Constellation. The book shows various cabin lay outs.
It shows one lay out which has 3 by 2 over about half of the cabin and further in the back 2 by 2; was described as "US domestic lay out L.749". There is also a lay out for the L.749 full 2 by 2: "basic long-haul over-ocean lay out used by a number of airlines". Another diagram shows full cabin 3 x 2 "all-Tourist" for the L.1049C Super Connie". And yet another, for the L.1049G of TWA, shows only a small section up front with 3 x 2, while the rest is 2 x 2 ("43-First and 20 Sky Tourist seats and lounge"). The L.1049G of TWA is shown as mainly 2 x 2 in 2 versions: "Night Time Domestic" (again only a small section up front with 3 x 2) and "Trans-atlantic configuration" (again only a small section up front with 3 x 2).
|Do you know any history of the South Vietnam Air Force 1? (a DC-6).
Did it fly President Nguyen-van- Thieu to Midway Island to meet President Nixon in 1969 ?
I took several shots of this plane at Clark Airbase in 1982; two were show in "Airliners" magazine.
I have only ever seen two other photos of this plane, all four are shown on VNAF.net.
Alexandre (of ATDB online database) added to this:
More pictures at:
|Timo de Vries provided following answer:|
"I know the plane was bought by, if I am right, the American Government as a gift for President Thieu.
The aircraft was an ex Pan American machine and overhauled in Miami.
Sadly it ended it days at the dump at Clark AFB in the Philippines."
Nils Rosengaard answered:
"As well as I remember (I saw it on the news), this is the a/c that transported President Thieu to the meeting with Nixon.
I have the following informations concerning the Vietnamese Air Force One
Airliners No.51 and No.53 have some colour pictures of the aircaft.
DC-6B c/n: 44111
Dlvd from Douglas as DC-6B / Line No.: 430
N6111C Pan American World Airways "Clipper Peerless" - D06Dec53 (from: DC-6 Production List and Pictorial History)
YV-C-EVG AVENSA - Bought 16May58 (source: same)
N6111C Miami Aviation Corp. - Bt 15Oct64: the a/c flew charters until 11Mar66 (Source: Airliners No.51 and Piston-Engined Airliner Production List)
N6111C Air Carrier Service Group - Bt 11Mar66, which prepared it as the Vietnamese Air Force One (Source: same)
XV-NCK South Vietnamese Government - D..Jun66 Air Force One (Source: Piston-Engined Airliner Production List)
XV-NCK South Vietnamese Government - Picture late 1960s? (Source: Airliners No.51 May - Jun 1998)
111 South Vietnam Air Force - Transfered ? "CK" 33 Wing, 316 Transport Sq. (Source: same)
VN-C901 Hang Khong Vietnam - Transfered ? (Source: same)
VN-C901 Picture Jan 1982 Clark AFB, Philippines (Source: Airliners No.53 Sep - Oct 1998)
VN-C901 Broken up 1980s? Clark AFB, Philippines (Source: Aero Transport Data bank)
|Could you get me some info concerning the 27Oct1972 crash around Montélimar ?
C-119K concerned was 52-5936 (s/n 11115) en route to Jordan, and five perished as mentioned on the monument dedicated to the crew in the small village of Aulan.
Local people say it was shot down by a missile launched from French strategic missile defense squadron, located Plateau d'Albion...
Who could confirm ?
|I cannot find much on the internet on the Dutch airline FAIRWAYS; I will tell you what I have:
Fairways operated a scheduled service Rotterdam - Southampton/Eastleigh 1x or 2x a week, flew on a DC-3 myself.
Fairways was financed by SSM (Scheepvaart en Steenkolen Maatschappij) and was run by J.van der Toorren, a former naval pilot. After a short while Fairways was taken over by Schreiner-Aerocontractors , which later became Schreiner Airways and this company operated holiday charters with a leased Fokker Friendship (from Braathens, (based at Rotterdam), a detail I know because I myself worked there for 6 months a long time ago.
Van de Toorren later became Chief pilot with Schreiner.
Any help with more details?
R. van der Wal
Maurice Wickstead wrote:
Malcolm Fillmore added:
|I am looking for information about this (your remark):
During the early-1970s it was used by Macedonian Securities and Macedonian Aviation before it returned to Albion and was registered to McDonald Aviation (1975).
What was the nationality of Macedonian Aviation? Any relation with Greece?!?!
And Maurice wrote:
|I understand that the former BuNo 131577 assigned to US Navy Air Transport Squadron VR-21, NAS Barber's Point, Hawaii has been acquired by a museum in Canada as CF-VUM.
This is a Douglas C-118 (R6-D). I can't locate it on the web site. Have you acquired this airplane, or if not, do you know where it is located? I was an engine mechanic on this airplane in the latter part of the 1950s while in VR-21. Any info would be appreciated.
C-118B c/n 43680- Joe Baugher has 131577 to civil market as N820CS (Desert Eagle Aviation, Remort, OR)
Evidently, as I was told at the time, this was an immaculate C-118, had been fully refurbished and was ready to fly again and the fire was alleged to have been an arson attack from a disgruntled ex partner in the business or the airframe.
All that remained in the yard was the wing and centre section (now minus engines) and the rear end inc tail fin and tailplanes.
To a museum in Canada is somewhat unlikely. This aircraft was destroyed by fire during conversion work at Davis-Monthan in Sep/Oct 1989. I noted it there, stored with markings painted out and still intact, on 22-Aug-1988. The burned remains were noted there Oct-1989 and Jun-1990. No reports since, so I think it's safe to assume this aircraft was scrapped many years ago. Perhaps its nose section survived and now could be preserved somewhere...?
Also, C-FVUM is a Cessna 150, and has been so for at least 19 years.
There were 10 C133A/B losses, according to the recent book by Cal Taylor:
|I was a crew chief on the C-133 at Dover AFB in 1969-70.
I had been in Viet-Nam on the C-130 and was assigned to Dover. I only flew once in all the time I was there as the plane was grounded.
It was a experenence I will never forget.
I am trying to remember which one I flew on, but I believe it crashed in Germany a few weeks after I flew in it... I don’t see any reports of crashes in Germany, but I know it did as my room mate was killed on the flight.
|My time in the C-133 was also 1969-71. At no time in that period was the fleet grounded for an extended period. The lengthy fleet groundings were much earlier, the last one in 1965, after the Wake crash.|
There may have been a short fleet grounding after the last crash (6 Feb 70), but the airplanes were put into service as soon as they were fixed. The "fix" for the crash causes was to put 16 4" aluminum bands around the entire forward fuselage, to prevent the skin from peeling off. The crash was caused when an old 11" skin crack propagated catastrophically to 17'. The skin began to peel off and flew into the number three prop. The airplane broke up rapidly, at 23,000'.
Cal Taylor (author of C-133, Remembering an Unsung Giant)
There was never an C-133 crash in Germany. Only a minor incident without injuries or more happened:
0-40143 of 436MAW was slightly damaged at Rhein-Main (Frankfurt airport) when veering off the Southern runway due to ice and snow on 06.01.69 arriving from Lajes. As far as I can remember that happened during REFORGER exercise. We Germans were proud at that time to see that our US allies had been able to transport so many troops to here within a few days (in order to fight against sudden massive Soviet tank attacking) with having nearly zero losses. A fatal crash would had aroused a great press echo.
We are still sporadically searching for F27 outer wing attach fittings. We need either some new steel fittings that we could use to comply with the wing AD or at least one used steel fitting to be used as a template to mfg. new fittings from. The fittings in either case must be the newer steel fitting to comply with the AD. If you think that you may have knowledge of were we could look for parts,I can pass along the PN for the fitting.
B & G Industries, LLC
We have large package of spares for F-27 aircraft.|
Do you require Fairchild or Fokker.
Please let me know what your looking for and I'll see if we have in stock.
World Turboprop Support Corp.
For some time I have been looking for a book by Tony Jonsson, a pilot from Iceland whom I have met in Biafra.
I have recently read his first book: "Dancing in The Skies" (published by Grub Street The Basement, 10 Chivalry Road, London SW 11 1HT)
Now I am searching for his second book: Lucky 13...
This 2nd book is about his years in Africa.
Jan Prikkel Jr
This is a very difficult book to find and is not one I have been able to acquire. It seems it was published by Cargolux/Air Atlanta in the 1990s rather than by a commercial publisher and was probably only available as giveaways.
I seem to recall some discussion on ABIX a year or so back and one of the members was trying to get copies direct from Cargolux, who seemingly still had them. But I don't recall seeing if he was successful.
If anyone can get a batch released, I am sure there are a number of us who would be willing to acquire copies! If we can get a good contact, maybe Mike Rice could get a load for resale on the Sales List.
The correct title is "Lucky No.13 - The Eventful Life of a Pilot."
If you find one can you let me know as I want one as well...
[As a result I received 2 copies! One I kept for myself and 1 went to Jan Prikkel. And I was able to direct others to promising sources, thanks all !]
I have been tasked to find a DC-3 Gooney Bird with an Executive interior in it. I have a client who owned one years ago and is very interested in getting another one.
I flew one for 4.5 years as well but the was back in the late 60's in the Air Force.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Something like this I suppose:
More on this plane , click here
Perhaps the former ERA Aviation DC-3s coul dbe converted as such, they are for sale at Courtesy Aircraft Inc. [Nov.2006]
The Lockheed Constellation is of particular interest to me:
on Nov. 2, 1953 I made a flight from Shannon, Ireland to Idlewild Airport, NYC that changed my life.
A short stop-over in Iceland made the trip particularly memorable, as I recall falling down on the ice upon deplaning.....no enclosed passenger walkways in those days!
I am interested in confirming exactly what model Constellation I flew on for that trip. A TWA Airline timetable with a publication date of 11-01-53 could probably provide that information, but I am unable to locate or download a copy.
I was on TWA flight #967 "Sky Tourist" out of Shannon, Ireland on Nov. 2, 1953, headed for New York's Idlewild Airport. The plane could have been an L749 or a 'Super Constellation" L-1049, but I'd like to find out for sure.
It would also be interesting to find out what the airline registration number was....I don't know if an airline timetable would contain such information. Have you any advice or can you offer other resource suggestions?
The aircraft Tim flew in was a L749A Constellation, which is what TWA was flying on international routes in 1953. |
While some L1049 Super Constellations had been deliverd in 1952, they were only used on domestic routes.
The L1049G made her TWA international debute on October 12, 1955. For additional information about TWA's Constellation international service there's a great article by Peter Marson in Propliner issue #83. It even mentions flight #967.
Try these folks:
Ours is an engineering institute in India approved by DGCA, Govt. of
India imparting training for Aircraft Maintenance Engineers.
We have an unserviceable aircraft Fokker F-27, MK-500 for training students but without maintenance manual.
We would be very grateful if you could help us to get Aircraft Maintenance Manual (AMM). As this aircraft is grounded and is in unserviceable condition we will be using this manual only for educational purpose so that we can train our students better.
91 98605 60515
Wingsss College of Aviation Technology ( India )
I have slides I took at Travis AFB Open House in 1968. There was a flypast by a number of C- aircraft and I am trying to
identify them all by serial number. I am stuck on one. Unfortunately the tailnumber is not pin-sharp.
I have used Joe Baugher's serial number lists. C-47 ("Weather" on fin). The S/N could be 0-35772 or 0-36772 or 0-35272.
I can't find either of the numbers or anything close in Joe's lists.
Have you any advice? Can you suggest other sources? Brian Jones
I haven't yet got the NEW DC-3 book, but the original one gives 43-15772 as 'USAF to Sep '70' - No mention of conversion to WC tho'
Using the 0- to show planes older than 10yrs old, got complicated when some got to 20 yrs old and it wasn't un-common to have 0-3 meaning 1943 with the last four of the remainder of the serial added on the end.|
43-15272 was shown as '0-15272' in 1966 and was Phillipine AF in 1975.
I would feel pretty confident with 0-35772 (43-15772) !
Aviation of yesteryear is so interesting to me.
I am currently looking for more information about the Stinson Model A Tri-Motor, low wing.
Plus: Mirow air service. They were absorbed by Alaska Air. Namely aircraft: NC-16154.
These Tri-Motors are very elusive. Only one left and restored, NC15165.
Any information is appreciated.
Mirow Air Service was one of three airlines merged in 1944 to form Alaska Airlines.|
Some mention of Hans Mirow is made on the page www.dmairfield.com/airplanes/NC162W/index.html concerning Lockheed Vega 5B NC162W: "...sold it on September 19, 1935 to Hans Mirow of Nome, AK to be flown on skis for charter work in Alaska. It suffered its second accident at Nome on April 28, 1936. It was completely rebuilt by Northwest Air Service in Seattle, WA as of August 1936.
Mr. Mirow died in 1940 and the aircraft was licensed in the name of Mirow Air Service, Madeline Mirow, Executor, Nome, AK."
Mirow Air Service: info welcomed
Photo of NC16154
Do you know if any of the Scandinavian Airlines DC-7s have survived?
Note with the replies on the right: SE-CCF / EC-GGC was moved to Cordoba, on display in a park next to the Gualdivivir (Update Feb.2016)
There is the ex/SAS DC-7C at Cordoba, it is c/n 45215 SE-CCF.
Halfway down your page here.. LN-MOB in Sudan: www.ruudleeuw.com/guestphotos-2.htm.
In September 1949 I flew from Heathrow to Trinidad in a TCA North Star.
The plane flew first to Prestwick in Scotland. On the way one of the engines caught fire and we spent the night in Prestwick. The next day the plane flew from Prestwick to Reykavik in Iceland, then to Goose Bay Labrador then to Montreal, where we stayed the night. The third day it flew from Montreal to Bermuda and then to Trinidad.
I understood that the reason the plane did not fly straight across the Atlantic was because there were storms and the plane could not fly over them because it was unpressurised. Does that make sense?
Finally do you know how many passengers it would have carried? My memory is just of one row down each side of the cabin, but I dont know if that is right
For a nice cut away drawing of a TCA North Star cabin, go to the 'Historic Airliner Pictures' site (historicaircraftpictures.com ) and click on the TCA North Star "Captain's Bulletin" pic.
TCA's head office and maintenance base were in Montréal, so that might have been a factor in having some flights stop there.
Here are the dates of the to's and from's:
TCA were supplied with 6 unpressurized North Stars (built for the RCAF) in 1947 but by 1949 I believe they had been replaced by pressurized North Stars. I think the seat pattern was 2aisle2 in those days. Flying westwards is against the prevailing wind on the Atlantic and even with DC-7C and L-1649A a refuelling stop was rare but not unknown....
As an 'ancient' spotter from Prestwick in the 1950 to 1960 period, I do remember TCA North Stars, as well as those with the RCAF and sometimes BOAC Argonauts.
I' m trying to know the date when these two were purchased by TASSA: |
I think it was by 1960 as the airline was founded that year, but unable to know exact date.
PMI / LEPA
No dates, but this info might help to get started: |
EC-AQG C-47B-DK c/n 26763 --- to Bird Air, fate?
EC-AQH C-47A-DL c/n 20072 --- destroyed at PMI
DC-3 book by Air-Britain (1984):
cn26763: no dates for registering EC-AQG TASSA nor to Aerotechnica SA (states next N7781C Continental Air Svce 1962 - 1965)
cn20072: no dates for registering as EC-AQH Aerotechnica nor to TASSA (seems the other way around); states crashed 21Jun64 off Las Palmas
So we are still after exact dates for registering to TASSA !
The Douglas DC-7C: was this model the only one known as Seven Seas? None of the other DC-7 varinats (like DC-7 or DC-7B) had a name??
Like the DC-6 Liftmaster and DC-3 Skytrain.
The DC-6 was named Cloudmaster and the DC-6B, Super Cloudmaster. No other DC-7 models than the DC-7C were given any names.
As far as I know the Seven Seas was the only model given a name by Douglas. Don’t forget the Skymaster, btw (for the Douglas C-54/DC-4).
The two US official names for military DC-3s were C-47 Skytrain and C-53 Skytrooper, the RAF called their lend -lease versions Dakota)
The USAF more often than not referred to simply as the "Gooney Bird". Alledgedly, this was because it flew "backwards" in a head wind, but in fact, it didn't, it simply appeared to stand still, or not go forward -- sometimes.
I believe he term"Gooney Bird" was coined because so many C-47 landings included one or more bounces, similar to the gooney bird landings on Guam.
The author Douglas J. Ingells tries to give an explanation to the Gooney Bird nickname in his book The Plane that changed the World (Aero Publishers 1966), page 166-168:
"There are tall tales of how she got that name [Gooney Bird]. Some say it originated in the South Pacific on the small atolls where the real-life Gooney Bird (a king-size seagull-like specie) makes its home. When the twin-engined Douglas' appeared overhead, they were the first metallic birds to be seen in the skies over some of these isolated islands. It was natural they shoul be given the nick-name.
Does anybody have any info on a USAF C-54 which crashed late (28?) November 1952 on approach to Tacoma? Although many reports confirm the accident & casualties etc, there seems to be no record of this aircrafts serial number etc?
Another mystery is the ID of a USN R5D aircraft serial number:87755-ex-USAF?-anybody know it's construction number?
Finally, does anybody out there have any info on war surplus C-54 which were sold by the RFC (Reconstruction Finance Corp) in 1946-1948 to countries abroad?
C J Turner
The date 28Nov54 is correct; this site has the location as McChord AFB, but no id. |
About BuNo 87755, check- http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/thirdseries9.html:this is R5D-3 "ditched due to fuel exhaustion 9/10/1950 and crew rescued by Navy ship. Plane sank by gunfire." No date, nor c/n.
Individual DC-4/C-54 histories can be read in Piston Engine Airliner Production List, by TAHS which is a reference book on 20+ vintage propliners and their individual histories.
Posting on the AB-IX Forum (Aug.2006) provided the following replies- "The C-54 crash on approach to McChord AFB, Tacoma,Wash. was 28/11/52 - it's suggested to have been a G model but identity unknown at present.
As for the USN R5D-3 Bu87755 again its identity appears uncertain - the date (in European terms) was 10/9/50 for the avoidance of doubt."-Peter A Danby
The history card shows it as an acquisition from the War Assets Administration in November 1946. It entered squadron service with VR4 in January.
The cause of the accident was faulty navigation, leading to the pilot decision to ditch the aircraft while he still had power from the engines. It was en route Haneda, Japan to Barber's Point and had reached the vicinity of Midway Island, hence the quick rescue." - George Kernahan
| There used to be an old C-46 on the edge of bog/swamp area off the runway at Annette in
the early 50's. It think it was a Golden North plane.
I always wondered how it got there and what ever happened to it. We used to fly in it often as kids, knowing it was going to slide down the hill farther if we weren't careful, lol.
Anybody else old enough to remember it and know the rest of the story?
John: "N92854 - C-46A 43-47179 c/n 250 - owned by Golden North from 1947 to 1957 (including a spell in Venezuela). In operation until at least 1962.
Bill: "That sounds like the answer. I didn't have any record of N1016N with Golden North, but I photographed N92854 in full Johnson Flying Service colours in November 1953.
Need some help solving the mystery of a DC-3 which survives as a cockpit only, purchased by a privat owner in Holland. |
Details I have: the cockpit contained original FAA radio station licence which states FAA no. N13677FLT issued 10-09-79.
It was previously owned or operated by ATC Inc of Reno,NV (says so on the radio licence).
Googling for N13677: no luck. Was "N13677FLT" issued for a single flight, maybe a ferry flight? Another clue is that this cockpit was seperated from a larger batch (incl rest of aircraft?) when Pall Mall bought spares on Malta (probably during early-1990s).
OPEN FAA online records show N13677 assigned to a Cessna 172M on 19Jun78, but has since expired (no date to the expiration)
On Nov. 4, 1958, I was a Marine Airborne Radio Operator in VMR-253 at Iwakuni, Japan. |
Two R4Q-1's (Fairchild C-119C Flying Boxcar -webmaster), 128733 and 128730 departed Iwakuni for Kadena AFB on Okinawa. I was the radio operator on 8733. Our mission was to participate in air drops of equipment to Marine infantry units on maneuvers for a couple of days. Besides the crew, 8733 was carrying eight Air Delivery Personnel, who would make the air drops for both planes.
As luck would have it, Tokyo ARTC was not responding to my attempts to establish HF radio contact. As 8733 was over Kanoya, the left engine ran away and within a few seconds, so did the right one. The navigator immediately put a slip of paper in my hand with our position. The co-pilot came back and told me to tell Tokyo that we had lost all prop control.
I immediately declared an emergency and Tokyo immediately responded that time.
The pilots were able to make an emergeny perfect landing at Kanoya, although the tower operator tried to make us take a "wave off" and come in on the Duty Runway.
Talk about location. Five minutes before, or after, we would have had to jump.
Any idea what happened to 128733 and 128730 ?
See also Roger shares memories and photos
Joe Baugher's page http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/thirdseries14.html has no info on these indivudual aircraft, 128730 and 128733.
Here is some "prop talk", offered by Les Bradford:
To Whom it may Interest. |
I have a hangar full of CL44 parts. Includes one complete main landing gear assembly and related parts, Rolls Royce Tyne Motor parts. All yellow tagged and serviceable.
Part from Ranger Aviation Spare Parts Inventory.
If interested my e-mail is:
reed -at- boardman -dot- bz
Reed K. Boardman
Would you know where I can get info on the first Flying School anywhere in Alaska.
I would like to know when and where the school was started!
Michael S. Rogers
My name is Cláudia Sofia Nunes Sousa, I am 15 years old, I am a student in the school Bento Rodrigues in Santa Maria where 6000 people live in an area of 97 km2. |
I would like one day to become mechanic of airplanes or onboard assistant. It is my dream.
I like airplanes a lot because I live close to an airport and in my favorite hobby I like to collect postcards, pictures, models and other things of airplanes. Of all the aerial companies and of military airplanes of whole the types and colors.
My collection has 2632 postal, 42 models of airplanes, 386 pictures, 36 caps, 362 pens among other, it was given me by my father, 2 years ago.
I liked to know if you can send me some thing for my collection, because it is very difficult of finding here at the airport and I cannot pay for anything, because I am not at work.
And to send this email I have to ask a friend to use her computer.
My school: Escola Básica Integrada de Santa Maria
Cláudia Sofia Nunes Sousa
Ribeira das Covas
Santa Maria – Azores – Portugal
9580-019 Vila do Porto
We have in our possession an airplane propeller that came off of one of Ben Eielson's planes when he visited Brooten, MN (the hometown of his mother) many years ago. Mr. Eielson was visiting relatives and we were told this propeller was damaged during a landing. It was picked up or given to some relatives of Viola Hesse and hung in an old shed for many years. It was sold at an auction sale in Sept 25, 2004, where my father purchased it. There are several numbers on the propeller. We are trying to decide what to do with this unique item. We are considering listing it on an Ebay auction. Do you have any idea as to value or know of someone who might be interested in purchasing this propeller? |
Contacting a museum would be best for an appraisal, but the only Minnesota air museum I know (MN Air National Guard Museum) has closed; don't know where Appleton is but there is a museum in Wisconsin: Yankee Air Museum at Detroit-Willow Run AP. |
Don't know if there are any specific Eielson collectors or museums, but he is well remembered in Alaska. E.g Alaska Air Museum in Anchorage and in Fairbanks the Alaskaland Pioneer Museum and the latter has indeed a propellor collection...
In surfing the net for a picture of N161V, I typed in Aero Service Corp. and came across a piece written by Robert Welshe (March 2005)
Harry Hermanson and I, Nancy Hermanson, were married on Feb. 17, 1968 and flew to Texas on Feb. 19, 1968 to start employment with Aero Service Corp. on the Texas project. Harry was hired as co-pilot under Walter Byrd who was then captain of N161V. When Walter was transferred out of the country, George Vine took over as captain of the aircraft. While in Texas Harry initiated the night flying as he was the only one on the crew who completely understood the Doppler system. The reason for the night flights was to avoid the daytime thermals causing the birds to vacillate. What with the wind and the thermals during the daytime, they weren't getting a lot of airtime.
From Texas we went to Italy for a couple of months and on to Thailand for 13 months.
We arrived in Bangkok on July 11, 1968. From there we were sent to Bethel Alaska, for a stay of 6 months.
We were employed at Aero Service from February 1968 through 1972 and Harry traveled 62 countries, while I followed him to most of them. I will always hold fond memories of N161V.
I would like to acquire a picture of N161V.
I have been through all the histories of DC-3's and found N5000E owned by Aero Service but nothing on N161V. Could somebody please help me out?
N161V (c/n 4644) has the following history as described in Air-Britain's DC-3 book (1984):
This email arrived Aug.2006-
Photos of (possibly) N161V have been added to the webpage about Aero Service Corp. !!!
My father, Hansel C. Haynes was called up to train crews in Japan in the late 1950s or early 1960s (something to do with the Corona Project). He started out in WWII in the CBI. Then moved on into Korea and I know he was a command pilot at one time. He was shot down over the Hump, refused to bail out and rode her down alone into a rice patty. He never talked about his service and passed away in 1974 when I was 9 years old, so I don't know a lot. Only what my mother could pass along. |
If any of your members or sightseers know of anything more or have photos I would be ecstatic and more than happy to respond to any correspondences.
I dimly recall that the interiors of the Lockheed Constellation Super Gs used in commercial flights had some big name industrial design groups associated with them. Do you recall which firms and what they looked like?
William A. Hall (Dec.2004)
I cannot recall the names of the design firms but in pouring through the Boeing Seattle archives a few years ago I found an unbelievable amount of data about interior design for the Strat. Lots of fabric samples, drawings, info about pax psychological reactions to different colors and textures, etc. I'll bet Lockheed went through the same process. ("boeing377", Dec.2004) |
Not specifically the 1049G, but the book "The Lockheed Constellation" by M.J. Hardy refers to the 1049C having a "variety of luxury interiors designed by the Henry Dreyfuss organisation." The reference is on p.62 if you have the book. (Ron Cuskelly, Dec.2004)
My father, William Franklin (Price)'s aunt was married to Frank Dorbant. He told me he was a well-known pilot in Alaska during
the early days. Do you know anything about Dorbant? I think that's the correct spelling. My dad is now 84 and doesn't remember too well.
I came across this person's name in a book called "Sourdough Sky" by Stephen Mills and James Phillips (Bonanza Books, 1960): "Dorbandt flew for Anchorage Air Transport in 1927; later for Alaskan Airways out of Fairbanks. He returned to Anchorage to fly for Pacific Int'l Airways. Flew first Ford tri-motor to the Territory in 1934. |
Died of blood poisining in Fairbanks, 1935."
Fred Doyle wrote 04Sep06:
Anthony Martini wrote in Dec.2007:
Ran across your page with the pictures of the Connies. I would like to know if you have a lead on a Connie which was registered as N6123C back in 1974. FAA says the number was never assigned to the aircraft, yet it was leased out of Miami Florida in 1974 by a legit Leasor who had a reputable business. Any leads?
It was N6231C, a Lockheed 1049, which back in the days, was used by Eastern Airlines. In 1974 this happened, involving N6231C...The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has a big, and I do mean big picture of the plane, transcripts indicate the correct Civil number, the Lessor was out of Miami, but the plane has simply.vanished.
I know the Connie was on the ground in 1974 in Winder, Georgia and the number was N6123C, at least that what the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the US Customs, and the Leasor said...
Gary M. Lewis (Jan.2005)
Stef Bailis came up with the correct N-number and wrote:
Leon Cleaver wrote:
I am trying to find out more on the disposition of some of the Fairchild C-82.s during the late 40's-early 50's. I recently came upon a NACA report on crash testing under NACA Lewis - Cleveland which was conducted at The Ravenna Arsenal in Northern Ohio during 1950(?). The Air Force appearently sent in 50 C-82's to conduct these crash tests, having to build a runway on the spot. With the closing of the Arsenal, would there be any information out there as to the eventual disposition of The Packets. The Reserve is in excess of 21,000 acres and one wonders what may have been shoved in a corner many moons ago?
Leon provided himself some sort of answer, hopefully further details will be uncovered in due time:
I have looked into the issue a little furthur and found out some additional info. Use Google - type in sp-4306, you will get a NASA report. Under contents, go to chapter 6 which gives info that 50 twin engine types, not all C-82's necessarily, were flown in for testing. Also, in Google - type in NACA RM E51L06, and you will get a complete listing of reports. After selecting RM E51L06 which takes a while to load (61 pages), scrolling down probably 1/3 or half way, there are some black & white photos of the test aircraft with one showing several C-82's in the background. I imagine that these were broken up and scrapped, but I don't know for sure. You may be aware of The Walter Soplata aircraft collection in nearby Geauga County whom has many military aircraft remains. He has a fuselage of a C-82 and I seem to recall (probably 30 years ago) that he got it from Ravenna Arsenal....
UPDATE: Walter Soplata passed away in 2010, see more HERE...
My name is Ken from Reno, NV and I'm a fan of the DC-3. In doing research about a DC-3 that crashed near Nevada N15570, "Gamblers Special", I stumbled across your website.
So far I have learned flights were run between Long Beach, Burbank, and Hawthorne, NV during the 1960's. The company names I have found so far are: Mineral County Airlines, Hawthorne Nevada Airlines, Air Nevada, Blatz, and I'm sure I will find more. I met a CAP pilot that helped on the cleanup of N15570 in 1969 and his story has kept me looking for info all weekend. I have read through the NTSB report and everything is exactly as it was told to me. Except for the really gruesome stuff. I'm assuming that Blatz started this flight and took it back after the crash in 1969.
As for the present owner of N67588, Tammy Maxwell, who lives in Silver Creek NV. I haven't found much info. Being that the owner lives here in Nevada it would be interesting to find out if that plane will be coming back any time soon. I would love to see some more pictures of that plane. From what I gather it is the same livery as the "Gamblers Special". If I find any more info or if you can tell me anything please let me know.
NTSB report: Tuesday, February 18, 1969 in LONE PINE, CA|
Aviation Safety Net (ASN) report
From Douglas DC-3 and its Predecessors (Air-Britain, 1984):
C/n 6320: Douglas DC-3-454 delivered as NC30052 to American Airlines; USAAF 43-1991 C-49J on 08Jan43; Service within US; Reconstruction Finance Company (RFC) 02Feb45; reregistered & leased as NC15570 DPC Eastern Airlines "383" in 1945, bought 31Aug49; Glenn L Martin Co 06Jun52; California Central; Southwest; Pacific Airlines A/L "12" 06Mar58 - Air Oasis Co., CA; Hawthorne Nevada leased May64; Mineral County A/L; Hawthorne Nevada (1966); Crashed 18Feb69 Sierra Nevada Mts, CA.
Frits Klinkhamer wrote me in Jan.2006: N15570 is also listed with West Coast Airlines Inc of Seattle,WA on page 224 of the 1984 Air-Britain DC-3 book; however this airline is not quoted in the text above (page 327 of the same book). No evidence was found as yet that N15570 was used for another DC-3 airframe.
Tammy Maxwell: she is David Gilette's girlfriend, one time owner of various DC-3s (Majestic Airlines).
I am trying to contstruct a background on John Kupka. Can you give me any information.
John Kupka is the owner of NASCO LEASING, NATIONAL AERO SALES COPANY, is a long time airplane broker, airplane parts broker, owner of LODI AIRPORT in California, was in Alaska from 1967 to 1977 for aviation projects on the Alaskan pipeline. He is in his 70's. Any help you can give would be appreciated.
SUSAN svcollect at aol dot com
I'm a big fan of the Flight of the Phoenix films and I'm writing on the off chance you maybe interested in knowing something about the ID of one of the C-82A's used in the original film.
I've come across a picture of a C-82A taken at Long Beach Airport in 1966 of a C-82A with the same engine nacelle red trim as seen in the 1965 film. The filming was done with C-82's from Long Beach Airport.
The C-82 is a C-82A-5-FA s/n: 44-22981 with a civil reg. of VR-ABD, was N136E in 1965.
I might be jumping the gun but it’s a good chance this was the one used in the brief flying sequences at the top of the film. It was sold to Aden Airways in 1966 as VR-ABD so may have flown for the film as N136E the year before?
Al Lloyd, in his soon-to-be-published Aerofax book on the C-82/C-119, says that Steward-Davis
provided N6887C for the flying shots.|
Gordon Reid wrote: I visited Long Beach, California in September '67 which was two years after they made 'Flight of the Phoenix'.
Among the 5 civil C-82 aircraft noted on that visit was the aircraft you mention N136E and it showed signs of being ex VR-ABD and 793 of I think the Honduran Air Force. N136E was parked with C-82 N6985C of Stewart Davis, C-82 N4833V of Arabco Oil, C-82 N53228 of Arabco Oil ex 423086 and C-119 CP-693 of Mexicana. On another part of the airfield was C-82 N6887C of Stewart Davis which was fitted with a jet pack.
I am an undergraduate student currently studying business. I am working on a project analyzing the effects of defense spending. Every
one knows about the large defense contractors such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin, but there are numerous smaller companies that recieve much of their
revenues from government contracts. I am trying to research some of these smaller companies. I am looking at the mid 20th century, and particularly, at companies that provided parts for the C119 "Flying Boxcar". Do you have any information on the companies that provided parts, specifically any brake manufacturers.
The answer may be found on www.airweb.faa.gov, though I haven't been able to find it.|
The data is not provided on the following data sheet (Acrobat Reader document).
One would probably need the original USAF Technical Order.
Thanks Bob !
I am trying to find out who manufactured the brakes of the C-119G. Do you know? I represent a former Air Force man dying of mesothelioma
The answer may be found on FAA's website, though I haven't been able to find it
The data is not provided on the following data sheet (Acrobat Reader document).
One would probably need the original USAF Technical Order.
[Thanks Bob !]
I know that Jetline International and Aerocom are registered to the same address in Moldova, and share a phone number. Do you know of any other connections between them, or between any other known (named) Bout enterprise and Aerocom?|
I am wondering if you have come across a company called Red Star as the new name for Air Bas and Viktor's latest venture? I hear Jetline has become Jetex as well. Anything on Red Star would be most welcome. I can find no trace of them worth chasing.
I was born in Gander,Nfld., which saw much traffic years ago.I have a question about reciprocal engine ignition..
Can you direct me to an explanation of how these engines were ignited, seemingly by shotgun shells? I am fascinated!!!!!
Jim Hathaway provided the following info from a manual from 1939-|
There were 2 types in the US, made by Coffmann (This was the Breeze Company- any relation to Breeze aircraft of the 1920s and 30s?) and the Eclpise- both were sililar in operation.
The cartridges resemble a shotgun shell, and the starter consists of a breech assembly, and the starter proper. The breech has a line going to the starter, and there is an exhaust line from the starter venting out of the aircraft. The starter is cylindrical and bolted to the accessory case on the normal starter pad. The starter also has a normal starter clutch on the end.
Internally, in the starter, there is a piston attached to the shaft by helical splines, the shaft goes to the starter clutch.
The cartridge is fired electrically, and the burning gas produces a high pressure through the line to the starter piston, which is pushed down, engaging the clutch. The helical splines give it a rotational motion. At the end of the piston's stroke, a valve opens to vent the gas from the starter, and allowing the piston to return to it's normal postion. The clutch disengages normally from the engine.
Aside from attaching it to the engine, and installing the breech, it requires no modifications of the engine, and is very light in weight.
Link provided by Greg Bodnaruk
I ran across your web page regarding a C-47 identified on a mountainside in the Yukon. That plane was involved in a search for another plane, a C-54, that crashed near Whitehorse in January 1950, and which has not been found.
My sister's father, Gerald Brittain, was the pilot of the C-54. My sister is named Linda Joan Brittain. My Mom was pregnant with my sister at the time, and later remarried - I was born seven years after my sisters father had died.
I wondered if you could tell me where I can find a copy of the accident report for the C-54, or any other information pertaining to the search. I know there is a lot on microfiche at the New York Times; I dug those articles up years ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jeff Rankin-Lowe provided the following answer:|
The website is at www.maxwell.af.mil/au/afhra/
For inquiries: AFHRANews@maxwell.af.mil
Phone: (334) 953-2395
Mail: 600 Chennault Circle, Bldg 1405
Maxwell AFB, AL 36112-6424
AFHRA is located with the Air University at Maxwell AFB, 1 mile WNW of Montgomery, Alabama. The Gunter Annex is 4 miles NE of Montgomery.
They will answer limited questions by e-mail or mail, such as the history of one specific aircraft, but they don't like getting long lists of serials or other questions. It's best to go there in person, but I don't know what access is like post-9/11, so contact them at the above address.
Also have a look at the info about security, access, policies, FAQs, etc at http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/security1.php
My name is Niels Hermansen of Norway. I am an old airplane engineer.
Do you have any information about the restoration of the Fokker F-2 ?
I want to build a 1/4 scale model and need all kind of information about this Airplane.(3-view drawings, pictures e.t.c.)
A question about NTS146 and competitors to what was to become the Lockheed P-3 Orion.|
In 1957 the US Navy issued Naval Type Specification 146 (NTS146) for a successor to the P2V Neptune and P5M Marlin. NTS146 stipulated the proposals had to be based on a commercial design, to save time. Lockheed won, in 1959 with Model 185, which was based on the L.188 Electra. Model 185 became the P-3 Orion.
But what was the competition, there doesn't seem to be any designs by Convair (based on the versatile C-131) nor by Martin (though a Martin Model 238 may have been pitched as a possibility) ... ??
Anyone with more details on the competion in USN146 ? Marco
Sorry for barging in with what is really is a trivia question, but seeing that you're a confirmed Britannia Man you may know the answer: I've been breaking my head over the title of a UK TV series (it might have been called "Britannia" but I can't find it anywhere!) that ran when we lived in the UK in 1978, in which featured a Bristol Britannia, a story about a little airline in UK struggling for business etc. I remember some nice footage of the plane flying around. I'm fairly sure Lesley Ann Down featured in it but it does not show up anywhere in her filmography - maybe an episode she might prefer to forget!
BUCCANEER had "REDAIR" Britannia's; a lot was filmed at Cranfield. The Connie was for the sequal to Airline which had "RUSKIN AIR SERVICES" Dakotas. Lockheed Constellation N7777G was to be used, but was found to be unairworthy after being shipped from Dublin via Fleetwood, and went to Wroughton as G-CONI, instead of North Weald.|
If anyone ever finds Buccaneer on video please let me know. (David S. Truman)
G-AOVS and G-BRAC were both used as "Redair" for the "Buccaneer" TV series in 1979 (Alexandre)
Ruskin Air Services DC-3
I am looking for more books and stories of the Biafran War Ferry Pilots....
A very interesting book is titled "Luftbroen Til Biafra - Jesus Christ Airlines" by Axel V. Duch. It's 280 pages about the Joint Church Air operation... great book, only problem: It's in Danish!|
Another interesting release, is the 1972 report "The Nordchurchaid airlift to Biafra 1968-1970 : an operational report". It's 232 pages and in English, made by Folkekirkens Nødhjælp. This report is available here in Denmark via the library, however I doubt it can be obtained abroad.
"Rolf Steiner - The Last Adventurer" (Weidenfeld & Nicholson 1978 ISBN 0297 > 773 631). Not an aviation book but the aurobiography of the "crazy" German > mercenary who spent time in Biafra. There are some aviation aspects (about > waiting at the airstrip for arms etc) and amazingly I found his dates etc to be exact.
"The Last Adventurer" by Jan Zumbach (Andre Deutsche 1975, ISBN 0 233 > 966234). Originally published in France under the title "Mister Brown" this is the story of Biafra's most experienced mercenary pilot who flew the ex-French B-26. Most, if not all, of the events are true but don't for one moment believe that Zumback flew all of the missions he describes. He also changes the names of most of his comrades but many can be correctly identified; for example, Zumbach's "Durang" is now known to be Roland Racoulle.
"The Cross-Eyed Spitting Cobra" by Noel Vonhoff (Crawford House, Australia 2001; ISBN 1 86 333 211-1). A softback autobiography by an Australian pilot who flew MiG-17s for the Nigerian Air Force. OK, but most of the Biafra detail has been obtained from other published sources. One or two good pictures and his pre- and post-Biafra advnetures are interesting.
"Le Labourer du Nuages" by Suzanne Morencay (Nouvelles Editions Debresse, Paris). Biography of French Red Cross pilot by his widow. Morencay was an intriguing character and this is a good story. The French operation was shrouded in mystery and contradiction. My copy is softback unfortunately; I'm not sure if there was a hardback edition.
"Breaking The Blockade" by Rev Tony Byrne (Columba Press, 1997; ISBN 185 607 2010). A softback by my good friend, Fr Bryne - the original priest who started the Caritas relief airlift from Sao Tome with Hank Warton. Tony's book is astray on some dates but a fascinating story. Unfortunately Tony changes a number of real names just to protect himself. Otherwise a good story.
Vern Polley's autobiography, "Roll Back The Skies". Published in Australia he tells of his role in Biafra as well as other adventures including his involvement of arms-running into the Yemen aboard Pakistan International L-1049Hs.
The other is Axel Duch's book which was published in Denmark a couple of years back. It is in Danish and was translated from Axel's original English text which he lent to me before it was published.
Another book that is intriguing is the novel "Last Plane From Uli". This is a novel which was published around 1970 and is amazingly close to reality despite being an novel. (Mike)
Rex Lezard was my father - I would like to get in touch with the author of the question.
Would anyone know about a US company called NEW FRONTIER AIRLIFT CORP.; they were based in Phoenix, Arizona in the 1950's and 1960's and purchased many propliners.
There is no reference in Airlines of the United States since 1914 (R.E.G.Davies), nor is there in Jane's; New Frontier Airlift Corp.,AZ., purchased many C-82's including the three used in the (original) movie "Flight of the Phoenix"".
I live in Jackson TN (Center of West TN) and remember a C-119 crashing near my house when I was about 10 years old (1950). How can I get an exact date so I can search the Microfilm of the Newspaper for details.
Joel F Jackson
From:Aviation Safety Net
Bonnie Aguilar wrote me in June 2009:
How can I obtain PROPLINER Magazine no.12 OCT/DEC 81
As of June 2005 the following issues were still available from the Subscriptions Dept.:
Also check this link: www.tahs.com/propback.html
I'm looking for information on another company: Thunderbird Airways. Any clues?
Started 1966, based Medford NJ. 3 Convair and 1 DC-3 used.|
I have recently developed an interest in old prop airliners. I vaguely remember flying on them when I was little. I am 54 now. My brother and I can remember Constellations at The Jacksonville Florida airport when we were young.
I am trying to understand the issue of transatlantic flight in the early days of commercial aviation. My understanding from the books I have access to is that the DC-4, when flown from New York to London, had to stop in Newfoundland and Scotland for fuel.
Was any variant of the Connie able to fly non stop from New York to London? How about New York to Paris?
Was there an issue with range regarding with going east to west as opposed to west to east across the Atlantic?
Did the airlines have to reduce the payloads for these long flights?
Was a variant of the Connie the first airliner to be able to fly non stop across the Atlantic?
How long did these non stop flights take?
Any answers you might be able to give or reference material you can point me to would be appreciated.
One thing about cross-atlantic flights is that because of the jetstream it is quicker to cross from west to east than the other way around.|
Some helpfull notes from a book called Golden Age of British Civil Aviation, 1945 - 1965 by Charles Woodley:
On 28Jun54 a Sabena DC-6B made the 1st non-stop x-atlantic flight, Manchester to New York and it lasted 12hrs56.
In 1956 PanAm introduced the Douglas DC-7C, an airliner capable crossing the Atlantic in both directions New Yrok - London non-stop in 12 hrs.
On 11Nov56 a BOAC DC-7C set a record LON-NYC in 10hrs40.
TWA introduced on 01Jun57 the Lockheed L.1649A Jetstream Starliner on LON-NYC seating 70pax in all-tourist config.
TWA made a non-stop flight via the Polar route ("Great Circle") San Francisco to London in Mar58 with 18pax and 10 crew in 19hrs05!
The Polar route was 1st used by PanAm, by DC-7C SFO-LON non-stop and managed to do this on 10Sep57 in less than 18hrs; it returned via Frobisher Bay,Baffin Island for fuel and Seattle for commercial stop.
TWA Starliners were introduced on 05Jun59 on this route with a non-stop flighttime of 13hrs10 and return 15hrs50.
BOAC by then was using Comet 4 jets on x-atlantic routes and PanAm started using Boeing 707s in 1958 (TWA did too, effective 24Nov59 on the NYC route).
Riddle Airlines flew DC-7Cs in Aug62 London-Gatwick via Gander,New Foundland (10hrs) and onwards to NYC (05hrs); the return trip took 12hrs.
Shannon,Ireland was much used as a fuel stop for x-atlantic flights too. Bangor,Maine too.
Could you pose these questions on your website for me?
Does anyone know the history of Fairchild C-82A Packet VR-ABD for the 2 years it was owned by Aden Airways? What was it used for? Charter? Oil company business? Where did it fly to? Why did Aden Airways sell it so soon? By the way, VR-ABD was not used in the Flight of the Phoenix movie.
Does anyone have any information on the history of Aden Airways. Things such as it’s formation date, capital, employees, arrangement with BOAC etc.?
pp at adenairways dot com
The C-82 VR-ABD was registered in Jan 65 and cancelled in Mar 66. It was a C-82A-5-FA ex 44-22981. As the registration was re-allocated to C-47 12324 ex G-ATZF in Oct 66, I rather suspect that the C-82 did not take up the registration, unless anyone can say otherwise. (Thanks to Ian Terry)|
John Davies was not convinced:
1) The VR-ABx series of registrations was used by aircraft of A. Besse & Co (Aden) Ltd. So not at all certain this C-82 was with Aden Airways
2) It seems that Besse was a local aviation contractor / operator who knew his way around here. Thus it could be that they were contracted to operate the C-82 on behalf of (e.g.) an oil company
3) Possibly the Aden/UK authorities said Besse did not have the expertise to operate such a large aircraft, and thus nominal operator should be Aden Airways.
VR-ABD brought to mind a visit to Long Beach on 19Sep67 where a number of civil C-82's and C-119's were logged including C-82 N136E. Closer examination of N136E revealed that the C-82 carried a military serial 793 which I think was Honduran and the registration VR-ABD. (Gordon Reid)
N136E was allocated in 1963 (and was current in my July 64 USCAR) and was seen by Gordon as such in 67, can we assume that it was current as N136E before and after being allocated VR-ABD from Jan 65 to March 66? Presumably it went from 44-22981 to Honduran(?) 793 before becoming N136E. Did this C-82A ever made it to Aden? (Ian Terry)
I live in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories (Canada), and have heard stories about a DC-6 operated by "Willie and the bandits". They apparently got in a lot of trouble from Transport Canada, in their efforts to deliver fuel and medivacs from northern communities.
Do you have any information about this ?
you are probably discussing Willie Laserich, he and his son currently operate Adlair Aviation in Yellowknife/Cambridge Bay where Willie still flies the medivac Lear. There is probably a book written about him by now, he is quite the character. The DC6 was more famous for the artwork on the nose, a stagecoach and team of horses if I remember correctly (which NAC removed!!!??). (Sean).|
I'd suggest C-GPEG (43576) which is about the only Candian Six I can think of with a 'spotty' history. Stored at Yellowknife in 1981, which fits the story. Acquired by NAC as N99330. (Brian).
Williw Laserich would be my guess as well. I met him and his son in 2002 while visiting Yellowknife, and they were extremely friendly and showed me some great Northern hospitality! N99330 and it's nice nose art is depicted in the book "SuperProps" page 168-169. There is a largo photo of this beautiful piece of art hanging in Adlair's executive room. (Nicolai).
I live in Chandler AZ. Yesterday I was stomping around a less than full operating airport which now houses mostly Herc's used for fire fighting. I immediately saw what remains of an old DC-4 (C-54) N44910 S/N 10601. I was thrilled. I believe this is the same 910 wich I first flew (according to my pilots logbook) on Oct. 30 1949. If it is the same aircraft we acquired it from the War Assets Administration and used it on "nonsked" passenger flights between Burbank and La Guardia Field with stops at MKC and CHI. The 910 I am talking about was procured from the War Assets Administration by Viking Airlines which later merged with Standard Airlines and Air America to form the largest "nonsked" of the era North American Airlines. After a ten year battle with the "big boy" the Supreme Court of the United States put us out of business.
I traced the aircraft to Brooks but have been unable to trace this old ladies history backwards. Can you suggest some avenue for this effort.
Must admit I didn't log the full NC-tailnumber, only the last three, so that is the reason for my concern about having the correct 910.
[North American Airlines was the largest low fare airline in the 1950s, doing business under several names to avoid the charter airlines restrictions. Fares were typically $99 US, quite inexpensive compared to the scheduled airlines. The CAB and the scheduled airlines put them out of business, but their low fares lead to the Coach Class revolution.]
John M.Davis revealed 910's correct identity:|
"C/n 35984 NC/N90910 is the correct aircraft. N90910 was leased by the USAF to Viking Air Lines of Burbank, CA, at a date not known to me; and Viking were the last leasee of this aircraft prior to its return to the USAF. Reportedly dismantled at Tucson in Apr62 (presumably spares recovery), it was still on the Air Force inventory as of 26Nov65."
Hal's response: "90910 rings true. Also I checked with Cliff Stout who was our chief pilot at Viking during that time and he confirms that he ferried 910 from some AFB (Wright Patterson?) to Burbank. My log book shows my first flight on 910 was LGA BUR on 10/30/49 (crew of four) which would indicate we came on to Burbank out of MKC. My next flight on the aircraft was a test flight the next day at Burbank. I should have triggered with your earlier info about a FTL (Flying Tigers) having operated 910 because I now believe after we turned it back to the AF it when to Bob Prescott at the Tigers. The Tigers did all of our maintenance on our fleet of DC-4's (396,787,305,070,912,868,548,566,477, & 819). We operated 10 DC-4's until Douglas delivered our DC-6B's. I picked up these tail numbers by flipping through my logbook. We were based at LAT in Burbank from 1948 to 1958 when the Supreme Court of the United States ruled in favor of the "big boy" airlines and ordered us to cease and desist from operating our $99.00 Aircoach flights from Burbank to New York and from any other points in the United States. In fact they put North American Airlines out of business. The "four horsemen" (Jack Lewin, Red Hart, Jim Fischgrund and Stan Weiss were precluded from engaging in any airline activity hence forward. Jack Lewin is the only survivor of the four horseman, is 93 years old and lives in Beverly Hills. In addition to North American most of the other nonsked's of that era operated fleets of DC-4's ONA, CEA, Tigers, World, California Eastern, Mercer and several others."
James Creel wrote:
"My father, Capt. Jimmie Creel flew Connies as 1st Pilot for KLM from 1946 through 1954. He brought a flaming Connie into Bangkok in 1953 with no fatalities. Would like to make contact with any of his old friends at KLM"
"My father was killed in a plane crash in the USA in 1963. I would love to hear from anyone that knew him or about him when he was with KLM. He flew for the ATC in WW2. After the war he was hired by KLM to be an instructor and then began to fly as a Captain for them. He in fact to the first KLM flied into Vienna after WW 2. The Connie he flew was “the Venlo”. Later on, he was stationed in Batavia . Then he was back in Amsterdam flying the route from Holland to Australia. He returned to the States in 1953 and flew for Phillips Oil Company."
"Is there anyway I can purchase a set of KLM Captain Wings ?"
Go to "Vereniging van gepensioneerden der KLM, de VG-KLM". They have a website with a guestbook open to requests such as these.|
Maybe you strike lucky!
By accident I came across your website detailing propliners seen on your trip to SA in April 2004. What a superb report of your trip!
I did the same trip in february 2004.
In Lanseria, I saw a DC3with the name "Rod`s Rocket" on the nose. I have been unable to identify this. any ideas??
This was DC-3TP ZS-MFY (cn12073).|
The name Rod's Rocket was applied while the aircraft was being rebuilt following an incident in the Sudan (if I am not mistaken). The aircraft was one of now defunct Rossair's fleet.
At that time, I was told Rod was the name of a senior manager of Nedbank, a South African bank (and was also one of Rossair's creditors) that was paying for the Dak's repairs . The Dak also had a Nedbank sticker on the tail. Seems the application of the bosses name was a bit of a PR exercise...
After WWII, Trans Canada Airlines bought Douglas DC-4s. Can you tell me if those aircraft were fitted with R2000 engines or Roll Royce Merlin engines?
I know the North Stars which were bought by the RCAF were fitted with Merlins, but I get conflicting answers when I ask about the TCA aircraft.
If the TCA aircraft where actually listed in the records as being "DC4's" they would have all (only) used R2000 engines. The
actual North Star aircraft used by both TCA and the RCAF were all license-built in Canada by Canadair, with modification from the
original Douglas DC4 design - most notably,- but not just limited to - the use of the R.R. Merlin engines.
"One North Star know as the C-5 version was built with Pratt R-2800 engines and saw service with the RCAF !
I am writing a master thesis on the airlines that competeted for PSOs tenders in Ireland, Norway and Scotland.
What I am hoping that you can help me with is information on the airline Ireland Airways that went into liquidation in february 1998?
What airplanes they had etc.....
Here is my entry for Ireland Airways, published in Aviation News 'UK & Irish Airlines since 1945' monthly series, August
El Air Exports, an obscure Irish airfreight company, obtained its first aircraft, a Piper Navajo, in May 1989 to commence adhoc cargo charters and overnight express parcels flights. This business was considerably expanded from September 1, 1992, with the apparent take-over of the UPS ShannonDublin-Cologne route from lona National Airways, for which a Lockheed Electra was wet-leased from ABC/Hunting Cargo. This contract reverted to lona from October 1, 1993, but in the meantime a Shorts 330 aircraft had been acquired to continue general charter operations, including work for the automotive industry. In the late summer of 1996, the company was awarded the public service obligation scheduled passenger route between Dublin and Donegal (Carrickfin) and began trading under the title, Ireland Airways. The Shorts 330 made the inaugural flight on August 16, 1996, over this route, which according to government figures was generating over 11,000 passengers annually by 1998. Earlier, in July 1995, the company had purchased a larger Fairchild FH-227E, in the expectation that it would be used on a second scheduled route between Dublin and Sligo, hitherto operated by Aer Lingus prior to its cutback on minor internal services. The planned start-up date slipped several times until late in 1997, when Ireland Airways announced that it had ordered two BAe ATPs for use on this service, due to commence in January 1998. However, the order fell through and Ireland Airways pulled out of this contract to serve Sligo, before ceasing operations altogether and entering liquidation in mid-February 1998.
Piper PA-31 Navajo Chieftain: EI-BYE (31-7305118)
Fairchild-Hiller FH-227E: EI-CLF (506)
Lockheed L188AF Electra: EI-CET (1144) leased from ABC/Hunting Cargo circa 9.92-10.93
Short 330: EX-EXP (SH.3092)
Note: BAe ATP EI-COS (2060) painted in Ireland A/w colours
early 9.97, but never delivered or registered.
Do you have any idea where I could get a nice secondhand air stewardes uniform, UK size 10, uniform colour red or blue.
I have tried ebay with no luck as I am not fast enough in bidding.
I live near Manchester and really would like to buy a uniform secondhand.
|Cliff Muskiet has an excellent collection, on show on Stewardess Uniform Collection|
I believe you are aware that the Canadian RCAF had 35 C-119s numbered 22101 to 22135 inclusive on inventory from Sep 1952 to Sep 1967. Thirty one (31) RCAF C-119s were sold to USA interests in 1966 – 1967.
I am interested in obtaining a list of the manufacturer’s serial numbers, construction numbers and any other x-referred identification numbers and present location for each of the C-119s.
If you have this information documented I would appreciate a copy of the record. If you do not, I request that you guide me in the direction whereby I may obtain the statistics.
(the book Fairchild C-82 Packet and C-119 Flying Boxcar by Alwyn T Lloyd (Aerofax, 2005) has a chapter on the Canadian C-119s but the appendix does not provide the requested c/n's)
I found you also have a interest in Chinese Aviation.
Many years ago I was aware that a VNAF UN-1H defected to China on 30 September 1981. Aboard were 10 people. 2nd Lt. Kieu Thanh Luc, Warrant Hoang Xuan Doan, Warrant Le Ngoc Son and seven civilians were aboard the aircraft which landed in Guangxi Province. It reportedly carried the serial '576'.
Sources included: FBIS 7, 15, 19 and 21 October 1981; Aircraft Museums and Collections of the World, Vol 1, 1991, pp 8 - c/n is noted as 11978 and previous idents include 69-15690 and 95690 (VNAF).
There is some correlation with your data and Bob's data (Aircraft Museums and Collections of the World). Does the UH-1 currently display VNAF roundels/markings?
I am wondering if you happen to know the exact date when British European Airways (BEA) stopped using its Keyline logo; I know it was sometime around 1950 but not quite sure of the exact date. Any info you have would be welcome.
BEA's system timetable dated 21.10.51 uses the Keyline symbol on its front cover. An advert in Bradshaw's Air Guide for Feb/March 1952 also
reproduces the symbol. An August 1952 photo of Viking 1B G-AHPO at Ringway, wearing the 'old' overall silver scheme, shows the symbol (in
red) writ large on the fin - but the airline was then changing over to the 'new' white-top scheme which used their 'shield with crowns'.
I can confirm that use of the BEA key logo ceased long after 1950. The key symbol was used on the front cover of the 1954-55 Annual Report. The 1956-57 Report included a picture of the head office in South Ruislip, still named "Keyline House". The first Report to feature the white-lettering-on-a-red-square logo was the 1955-56 one, but none of the aircraft pictured in it wore that livery. None of the aircraft in the following year's publication did, either - though there was a picture of a new AEC Regal coach wearing the new logo, and also some posters. (Geoff)
A memorial plaque was found by me recently, it had on the reverse side of the tombstone (bearing the name DICKINSON [HARRY & BERNICE] at Riverside Cemetery, Spencer, Iowa) written the following-
"In memory of our son: Robert H. DICKINSON 1934-1955 who died in the service of his country. Bob was a flight engineer on a C 119 Flying Boxcar which crashed in the sea of Japan March 1955. His body was never recovered"
Any clues on further info on this? I've found some additional info in a Spencer newspaper from a letter describing the accident when memorial services were held 18 March 1955.
"Bob was flying as the serial engineer on a flight that departed from Ashiya (Japan) at 3:08 P.M. March 1. He was flying with our operational officer, a pilot who has a wealth of knowledge and experience in the C-119 type aircraft. The plane was 18 miles north of the Japanese coast when the propeller on the right engine failed. The aircraft began descending rapidly toward the water.
At approximately 3:20 pm the order was given to abandon the aircraft. The crewmembers parachuted from the failing aircraft into the Japan Sea. The Air-Sea Rescue was immediately dispatched to the scene of the accident and with the aid of many Japanese fishing boats in area an intense search has been conducted. Several survivors were picked up by Japanese fishing boats"
No info on this 1955 C-119 crash, near Japan was found on either Aviation Safety Network (1955) nor on Aircraft Crashes Record Office.
Raymond himself tracked a report: "I recently purchased a copy of the accident report through Michael Stowe on this matter through his wedsite www.accident-report.com, it cost me $30 and it has the info I wanted !
A friend of mine had a friend who was killed in 1951 on an Israeli operated C-54B with registration 4X-ABD, later 4X-ADN.
Anyone out there can help with additional information?
[Crash database Aircraft Crashes Record Office lists 4X-ADN as the crashed aircraft but has no details. -Webmaster]
The Air-Britain monograph on the DC-4 (1967) says 4X-ADB (c/n 10512) crashed at Zurich on 24/11/51 while on lease to El Al from Flying Tiger. It claimed
it was repaired and returned to Flying Tiger and subsequently sold in Canada. Another, later, monograph lists nothing after the crash. 4X-ADN was a different Douglas C-54 (c/n 10416).|
The Aviation Safety Network database has this on the crash of c/n 10512 4X-ADB : http://aviation-safety.net/; note that it was CatA1 (written off).
4X-ABD crashed on 24Nov1951 after hitting trees at Ruetti Winkel on approach to Zurich. Capt Theodore Gibson and 5 of the crew were killed, the
radio operator survived. See Air-Britain Archive 94/53.
Also see Peter Riool's Production Lists: 2x 4X-ADN !
The problem still remains that c/n 10512 4X-ADB was totally destroyed in the Zurich crash; yet that same c/n reappeared in the US, got an export
CofA, and went to Canada. Obviously we have not got to the bottom of this problem - and I suspect that it may well be some alteration of
identities in Israel.
Did you ever meet or fly with Captains Clifford or Charles Howell? Cliff was my father and Charles was my uncle, both flew for Overseas National Airways from 1970 to 1979 when ONA ceased operations... |
Bob Parmerter volunteered the following:
"There is an active ONA crew website at www.onacrew.com that might be of interest."
Any buyers for these ? |
I know there is someone out there that wants these engines. Who do you know that is still flying the DC6?
We are pleased to offer, subject unsold: following engines – NEW in boxes.
engine 1 _serial n°P32167
type Pratt Whitney
Model R-2800 CB16
engine 2 Type. Pratt Whitney
Serial n° P28563
Model R-2800 C16
engine 3 Type pratt Whitney
Serial n° P37203
Model R-2800 CB3
engine 4 Type Pratt Whitney
Serial n° P30949
Model R-2800 CB10
Manufactor Pratt Whitney
United Aircraft Corp East Hartford Conn, U S A
Robert P Sullivan
|I had several inquiries to this item but nobody managed to get in contact with Mr Sullivan|
I’m looking for a poem that was written about pilots at their death that says something like “wings forever folded.” Do you know of it? I need it for the funeral of a pilot. |
The Rev. Lyndon
Your quote may come from a book by Ernest K Gann, Fate is the Hunter|
I did not find the text on the internet. Perhaps below poem is of any use.
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings,
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
Source: "The Last High Flight", Flying, January, 1993, p.36.
I recently acquired the cockpit of a C-47 & am desperately trying to establish it's identity. Unfortunately, there are no dataplates fitted so
all I have to go on is a sketchy potted history. |
I know that it's definately a C-47 & not a DC-3. I am told that it served with AAF ATC during the war & I can see from the post-war radio & electronic refit that it saw post-war military service. I am told that it spent many years in Spain before being sold to a German buyer in about 1995. It was then broken up & the cockpit & parts of the fuselage used as a ticket booth in a cinema in Germany (at which time it was painted in a bright red & white airline type livery). The cinema closed about a year ago & it was disposed of.
Unfortunately I know nothing more than that! Do these sketchy details mean anything to you? If they do, I'd be most grateful for any information you can pass on.
|See N569R: from Cinema to Home?|
|I am looking for any information (newspaper articles, flight plans) on a plane that crashed on route from Vancouver International Airport to Tokyo via Canadian Pacific Airlines (now defunct). The flight went missing some where over the pacific in and around 1951. My grandfather on that flight was Freeman Rudolf Tupper but recollection of the flight was listed as Frederick Tupper. He was flight navigator or radio officer on the flight. There is very little information on the incident. I would love some information if you can help me.||
This refers to CF-CPC, a C-54 which disappeared en route 21 July 1951.|
From ASN: The C-54 departed Vancouver at 18:53 for a flight to Tokyo. Nothing more was heard from the flight following a position report over Cape Spencer intersection.
PROBABLE CAUSE: "As no traces of the aircraft or its occupants has been found to date the cause of the disappearance has not been determined."
The crash is mentioned in "A History of Airlines in Canada" by John Blatherwick:
I was wondering if you could help verify an aircraft rumor? |
I live in Goodyear,AZ where as you know many aircraft are stored. Down the street from me is the Phoenix-Goodyear Airport (which until 1968 was the Litchfield Naval Air Facility).
Parked near the end of airport runway but not anywhere near the storage areas sits a Douglas DC-4 or 6 or 7, I'm not sure. At any rate, rumor has it that this was once Lady Bird Johnson's presidential transport. It is painted white with red and blue trim. Supposedly that until broken into, the seatbelt buckles and all cabinet hardware were 24k gold. I've had a close look at it and it looks in pretty good but not flying condition. In fact, in the past five years, I have not seen it moved.
I inquired at the terminal office and they could not give me anymore information beyond that the current owner is a church group.
This is Douglas DC-7C N777EA (45549).|
It was first delivered to KLM as PH-DSR and served various owners though never flew as the Presidential Plane; I think the gold on board can be put in the bullshit department although when persistent that can cause damage to a stored airplane.
I think N777EA was last owned by a religious group and has been at Litchfield since the 1980s.
The description of the color sure fits N777EA the last time I saw it at Goodyear.
This is N777EA. Lady Bird Johnson used it to fly around the US as part of her Beautify America campaign (planting trees along roads, creating parks, etc.)
There was an accident in the Sandia Mountains and my parents were killed as well as my brother in law. |
After 50 years, and a hike to the wreckage two weeks ago, our son and daughter inquired about the original seating setup for the Martin 404. Their flight was #206 out of Albequerque to Santa Fe. The pilot (copilot) flew into the bowl of the Sandia Mountains and in the snow realized his error and attempted to remove the plane for immediate danger, turning sharply left and attempting to gain altitude. However, he hit a pinnacle and crashed.
My parents were propelled thru the plane and out the cockpit onto an area well forward of impact. Needless to say, all perished, but my folks were not involved with the explosion/fire as were some other passengers.
Do you have a record of the interior of this plane, I believe the name of it was Birmingham," TWA, 2/1955 departed 7 AM and flew for 13 minutes only.
Anne Pearson (nee Schoonmaker)
This website has more info including identity of the Martin 404 involved:|
Martin 404 N40416 was named Binghamton